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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Morgan Keyes" data-source="post: 3418141" data-attributes="member: 15965">Ahhh....I remember these little gems from my Cyberpunk 2020 days.  Great little back-ups to carry when you just couldn't bring along anything in the "long-barrel" -category.Some observations.  1) These are to be fired from a pistol (and I'd also suggest the option for an SMG as well). They'll have to be rather small.  CP2020's were 25x50mm, roughly the size of a smallish shotglass.  This is going to reduce the "bang" somewhat, lower even then 40mm launcher rounds.  Advances in explosive and material tech will off-set this somewhat.  Now, in D20 Modern a fragmentation hand grenade does 4d6 in a 20' radius, while a 40mm launcher frag does 3d6 over a 10' radius.  Following that progression, a 25mm pistol/SMG grenade is in the range of 2d6 over 5' radius; though one or the other (likely radius) could be kept like a 40mm.  But then consider in D20 Future a PL5 shrapnel grenade is 5d6 over a 20' radius.  So, with the march of technology maybe consider a pistol fragmentation grenade 3d6 damage at 5' or even 10' radius (though I would keep with 5' as you will see next).2) Given the fact that the grenade is launched either by way of a bullet trap or shoot-through mechanism, it's going to have a shorter range increment then pistol round.  Also, firing it using low mass, small caliber rounds will shorten it's reach.  Figure the weapon must be at least a 9mm.  Say a 20' range increment for 9mm and .38" caliber and a 30' range increment for 10mm and higher.  (Gonna have to think some more on the matter if we start talking about high-velocity PDW rounds like FN's 5.7mm or H&K's 4.6mm)3) Rounds available. This was the great draw for using them in CP2020, a variety of effects in small, concealable packages.-Concussion: 3d6 (non-lethal), 10' radius, Fortitude save (DC 15) to avoid being stunned.  This is in addition to any save for non-lethal damage.-Flash Bomb: (rules pending)-Tear Gas or Smoke: 1st round covers adjacent 5' squares, 2nd covers a 10' radius, half the duration of normal smoke or CS but full effect.-HEP Cratering round: (rules pending)(this round is plastic explosive in a thin case.  When it strikes a target it splits open and 'pancakes' across the surface, then detonates.  This sends a shockwave through the structure.  This type of round was used in WW2 and later for bunker demolition. The shockwave would concuss those inside and the shock could also cause the interior of the armor to scab off at high speed, turning protective armor into a fragmentation blast for those inside.  In CP2020 these were useful in hurting 'borgs and those in power armor)On the subject of weapons:  On the two-handed chain sword I would suggest the damage changed to 3d8.  Why?  Well it follows D20 weapon damage progression.  Consider, a longsword does 1d8 while a greatsword does 2d6, which just happens to be the same damage you get when you scale up a 1d8 weapon from Medium user to Large.  So, if we consider a chainsword similar to a longsword and the two-handed chainsword it's greatsword-equivilent, then looking at the damage progression table in the 3.5 PHB we see that a 2d8 weapon at Medium becomes 3d8 at Large.I don't think this really captures what goes into a TUSK set-up.  <a href="http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2007/03/street-fighters-m1-abrams-tusk-tank-conversions-updated/index.php#more" target="_blank">Here's a look at the mods</a>:<img src="http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/LAND_M1A2_TUSK_lg.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />So what would a TUSK give an M1?-Commander's Remote Weapon Station: Track commander can fire the .50 cal from under-armor and with thermal sighting.-Loader's Gunshield: Now the loader gets armored cover while using his M240.-Rear Thermal Camera (not shown above, but proposed): Driver now not only can see behind the tank, but in thermal too.-Reactive Side Armor: Any shaped charge hits to the side have a chance of losing their Armor Piercing effect.  Course the more times the reactive armor is hit, the greater chance a round can find a gap.  Also hard on dismounts to the sides when it goes off.-Rear Slat Armor: Tail protection from shaped charges.  Need to think over rules on how it would differ from reactive armor in operating mechanics.-Infantry Phone: Let's dismounts talk to the crew via the intercom.  May not seem like much, but a rather useful tool.-Lots of extra thermal sighting equipment.</blockquote>

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