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<blockquote data-quote="Morgan Keyes" data-source="post: 3486177" data-attributes="member: 15965">Steampower's books, both Future Soldier's and War in the Information Age are &quot;good initiative, questionable execution&quot;.Let's consider the Assault Marine.&nbsp; With one entry requirement being a BAB of +10 that means that the minimum is a CL 10 character, and that's only if you only take Strong along with something like Soldier.&nbsp; Honestly, how many PrC's are out there you to be no less then CL 10 to enter?&nbsp; Yeah, everyone has the image of &quot;Marines&quot; and &quot;Special Ops&quot; as ultra-bad@$$'s, but consider the fact that initial entry (and even the rank &amp; file) are not Mack Bolan and uber-trooper (and not trying to toot my horn, but coming from someone who's been part of that community for 18 years).&nbsp; Honestly, is Private Snuffy Smith in an Assault Marine squad a CL 10-13 character?!?&nbsp; What about that PFC with 4 years in?&nbsp; The squad leader?&nbsp; CL 25?&nbsp; Let's be reasonable.Look at other examples.&nbsp; D20 Modern's Soldier (which is a 'veteran soldier', as the typical troop is going to be Strong and/or Tough lvls) which has a +3 BAB to enter.&nbsp; That's a beginning professional troop.&nbsp; Or,...how about the sniper from the web enhancement?&nbsp; +5 BAB.&nbsp; SpecOp class from the same?&nbsp; +6.&nbsp; D20 Somalia has a SpecOps class.&nbsp; +4 BAB as one entry requirement.&nbsp; The point being, all these popular elite types have to start somewhere and not everyone in the squad/section/det is going to be a superman/veteran.&nbsp; A CL 5-7 &quot;newbie&quot; is still impressive.&nbsp; This also places it within reasonable reach of PC's.&nbsp; Now, what to adjust?&nbsp; Lemme get back on that. Gotta get lunch.&nbsp; Got some weapons to show from my X-COM setting as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Morgan Keyes, post: 3486177, member: 15965"] Steampower's books, both [U]Future Soldier's[/U] and [U]War in the Information Age[/U] are "good initiative, questionable execution". Let's consider the Assault Marine. With one entry requirement being a BAB of +10 that means that the [B]minimum[/B] is a CL 10 character, and that's only if you only take Strong along with something like Soldier. Honestly, how many PrC's are out there you to be no less then CL 10 to enter? Yeah, everyone has the image of "Marines" and "Special Ops" as ultra-bad@$$'s, but consider the fact that initial entry (and even the rank & file) are not Mack Bolan and uber-trooper (and not trying to toot my horn, but coming from someone who's been part of that community for 18 years). Honestly, is Private Snuffy Smith in an Assault Marine squad a CL 10-13 character?!? What about that PFC with 4 years in? The squad leader? CL 25? Let's be reasonable. Look at other examples. D20 Modern's Soldier (which is a 'veteran soldier', as the typical troop is going to be Strong and/or Tough lvls) which has a +3 BAB to enter. That's a beginning [B]professional[/B] troop. Or,...how about the sniper from the web enhancement? +5 BAB. SpecOp class from the same? +6. [U]D20 Somalia[/U] has a SpecOps class. +4 BAB as one entry requirement. The point being, all these popular elite types have to start somewhere and not everyone in the squad/section/det is going to be a superman/veteran. A CL 5-7 [B]"newbie"[/B] is still impressive. This also places it within reasonable reach of PC's. Now, what to adjust? Lemme get back on that. Gotta get lunch. Got some weapons to show from my X-COM setting as well. [/QUOTE]

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