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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7224577" data-attributes="member: 22779">And, let's be honest here, saves have NEVER been equal.&nbsp; In AD&amp;D, there were a bajillion poison saves.&nbsp; Every monster and it's cousin had poison.&nbsp; But, a save vs Wand/Staff/Rod?&nbsp; Yeah, not going to come up all that often.Even in 3e, there were far more Fort save effects, simply because so many common monsters had poison.&nbsp; It's a pretty standard &quot;go to&quot; effect for a lot of critters and, let's be honest here, it's a pretty easy thing to add as well.&nbsp; Need to beef up that orc encounter?&nbsp; Poof, they have weakly poisoned weapons that deal a bit of damage instead of save or die.Now, with 3e's 3 saves, there probably was a bit more balance between them.&nbsp; Charm effects are pretty common, so, will saves are pretty necessary.&nbsp; Sure, there's probably some more fort saves in 3e, but, it's not like will was THAT far behind.Thing is, an Int save is such a wonky thing.&nbsp; It's really hard to imagine an effect that hurts you because you are stupid.&nbsp; Wisdom is the go to generally for any sort of mental fortitude effect (and always has been).&nbsp; Same with Cha effects. What does a Cha effect actually look like?&nbsp; Hey, you're kinda good looking and personable, so that makes you better able to resist ... ummm .... well... hrm.It's just kinda the nature of the game that Int and Cha saves aren't going to be used all that much.&nbsp; It's really hard to think of an effect that would be resisted by either stat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7224577, member: 22779"] And, let's be honest here, saves have NEVER been equal. In AD&D, there were a bajillion poison saves. Every monster and it's cousin had poison. But, a save vs Wand/Staff/Rod? Yeah, not going to come up all that often. Even in 3e, there were far more Fort save effects, simply because so many common monsters had poison. It's a pretty standard "go to" effect for a lot of critters and, let's be honest here, it's a pretty easy thing to add as well. Need to beef up that orc encounter? Poof, they have weakly poisoned weapons that deal a bit of damage instead of save or die. Now, with 3e's 3 saves, there probably was a bit more balance between them. Charm effects are pretty common, so, will saves are pretty necessary. Sure, there's probably some more fort saves in 3e, but, it's not like will was THAT far behind. Thing is, an Int save is such a wonky thing. It's really hard to imagine an effect that hurts you because you are stupid. Wisdom is the go to generally for any sort of mental fortitude effect (and always has been). Same with Cha effects. What does a Cha effect actually look like? Hey, you're kinda good looking and personable, so that makes you better able to resist ... ummm .... well... hrm. It's just kinda the nature of the game that Int and Cha saves aren't going to be used all that much. It's really hard to think of an effect that would be resisted by either stat. [/QUOTE]

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