D&D 5E Count of 5e saves from MM and PHB by stat and class

[clearstream]

Someone counted 253 saves in the MM

STR 52
DEX 57
CON 86
INT 2
WIS 52
CHA 4

Someone else counted 143 saves in the PHB spell list

STR 8
DEX 43
CON 35
INT 3
WIS 40
CHA 14

Total counted is 396 saves

121 CON
100 DEX
92 WIS
60 STR
18 CHA
5 INT

Per class

181 Barbarian Str/Con
181 Fighter Str/Con
160 Monk Str/Dex
139 Sorcerer Con/Cha
118 Bard Dex/Cha
110 Cleric Wis/Cha
110 Paladin Wis/Cha
110 Warlock Wis/Cha
105 Rogue Dex/Int
97 Druid Int/Wis
97 Wizard Int/Wis

There are some additional saves scattered across class abilities. Has anyone counted them?

 

[FrogReaver]

It would be interesting to know if the trend is fairly consistent across CR's or if higher CR's favored 1 type of save and lower CR's favored others.

 

[Krachek]

What useful conclusions can we make using these numbers?

 

[FrogReaver]

What useful conclusions can we make using these numbers?

Basically that intelligence and charisma saves are very rare. That doesn't mean that they are bad as they may protect you against some very potent stuff. It doesn't mean they will be very rare in every game either. However, it does mean that if I'm going into a campaign without any other info then I'm not going to prioritize intelligence or charisma ones ever.

 

[Hussar]

Well, one conclusion is that dump statting Int rarely, if ever, hurts you.

 

[The Human Target]

It's almost like the save system in 5e was horribly designed.

 

[FrogReaver]

It's almost like the save system in 5e was horribly designed.

Howso?

 

[Argyle King]

I think the save system in 5e is an improvement over both 3e and 4e.

However, if the strengths of the system aren't used due to still designing monsters (and challenges) with a mentality which revolves around how the previous two editions worked saves, that improvement doesn't really show.


Side note: I like the idea of using skills with a different ability sometimes.

 

[Argyle King]

double post

 

[Mistwell]

It's almost like the save system in 5e was horribly designed.

Only if you think "everything equal" is the same as "good design". Which I don't. An "all equal" balance system worked well for things like D20 Modern, but I think the saves were designed very well for this type of game.