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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gfunk" data-source="post: 81951" data-attributes="member: 1813">I have mixed feelings about Harm.  It is very powerful, but perhaps just short of broken and, as stated above, it has numerous counters.My major gripe with the spell is with creatures with a lot of hp like Dragons.  The epic struggle b/w a dragon and a group of PCs seems to have been reduced to:(a) Get all the arcane and divine casters in the party to buff the hell out of the party cleric and give him a couple of Rings of Counterspell (with Dispel Magic + Greater Dispelling)(b) Touch the Dragon(c) Sor/Wiz (hasted) follows up with a couple of damaging spells to finish the jobSure older dragons have nearly god-like intelligence, but it feels kind of silly to modify their whole defense against one spell.</blockquote>