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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 69487" data-attributes="member: 2829">Aroooga!...Aroooga!...OK fellas. Once again, here is part of the coup de gras description.A combatant can use a melee weapon to deliver a coup de grace to a helpless foe. A combatant can also use a bow or crossbow, provided the combatant is adjacent to the target. Now, where in there does anybody see "you can use a weapon-like spell"? Nobody sees it? Strange. OK, where in there do you see "you can use a banana"? Don't see that either? I wonder why? Maybe because...you aren't supposed too?Reading too much into the rules guys. I will, however, agree that a touch attack spell that delivers DAMAGE (i.e. not ability damage or some funky fandangled death attack spell) qualifies for a mode of attack to deliver a coup de gras. It makes sense. Say you cast Hold Person on your victim, they fail thier save. Now, the next round you cast shocking grasp and hold the charge. Now, NEXT round (because a coup de gras is a full-round action unless you have the Death Blow feat) you automatically hit and score a crit. Why? Because you used a melee touch attack. Now that sucker takes 2x (double to be more precise) the amount of damage from Shocking Grasp.And let me finish up this post with one question. Why on earth would you want to use Cure Light Wounds or Entangle or Grease for a Coup de Gras anyway!?! I'm done. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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