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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chorn" data-source="post: 2203883" data-attributes="member: 11849"><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> You're way off saying that you can't shapeshift into a high level human paladin with 18 on all stats.  Races are NOT templates.  I don't even know where you managed to get that idea.  Polymorph and its ilk just change you or the target into another type of creature.  The only control you would have on stats would come from the type of creature chosen.  Since it changes you into an average member of the species this translates to 10's and 11's for the physical stats modified by racial adjustments.  Mental scores remain your own barring some odd exceptions.They're quite odd in that respect.  A fully advanced dragon disciple mostly ends up a half-dragon as the template.  Mostly, but not fully.  Ignoring the extra stuff such as the bonus spells, the dragon disciple has slight differences such as a slower flight speed.Tangential note, anyone remember how prestige class abilities function when you lose a prerequisite?  I'm not talking about the dragon disciple's final level breaking the class.  Rather I was wondering if you could do a half-dragon double dip by having a 9th level dragon disciple, therefore pre-apotheosis and still non-dragon, somehow acquire the half-dragon template such as through a ritual or the like.  That way you'd get the ability and natural armor bonuses twice. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /></blockquote>

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