CR of a Vampire

Weeble

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Well, on the Vampire kick again...

Why is the CR of a Vampire only 2 more than it's base creature? Heck, a 7th level fighter against a 5th level fighter/vampire sounds rough to me. Look at all of those special abilites and extra feats and ability point boosts. Never mind Vampire weaknesses.
 

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That's because CR is based on a system of 4. A 5th level human vampire is supposed to be an average challange for a 7th level *group*. Not a 7th level character.
 

Xarlen said:
That's because CR is based on a system of 4. A 5th level human vampire is supposed to be an average challange for a 7th level *group*. Not a 7th level character.

So 4 characters would have the same hard time with a 7th level fighter as they would a 5th level fighter/vampire? I think not..
 



Weeble said:
good enough, then a +4CR to the Vampire would work better IMO. maybe the Remorhaz needs fixing too!!

Then rule 0 it. Not all CRs are created equal, just like not all spells of the same spell level are equal in power. It isn't a perfect system, you need to fiddle around with it a little.
 

Crothian said:


Then rule 0 it. Not all CRs are created equal, just like not all spells of the same spell level are equal in power. It isn't a perfect system, you need to fiddle around with it a little.

yeah
 

Dude, play your game how you like. But, I don't think the vampire needs any tooling. Look at the templates. +2 goes with Liches, Lycanthropes, Half Fiends, half Dragons, Ghosts, etc.

Now, look at other 7 CR critters. Water Naga, Umber Hulk, Medusa, Hill Giant, Flesh Golem, Drider, Dire Bear Chuul, Bulette, Black Pudding, Barbazu, Aboleth, Blue Juvinile Dragon, Yuan-Ti, Abomination.

Now, a lot of these things are really different, compared to others. Some are easier to kill then others.

The Remorhaz doesn't need tooling. Yes, it will eat you alive, but it has severe weaknesses which make it weak. First of all, it has No Ranged Attacks. A 7th level mage's first step should be getting the party Out of there: A fly, if not several, and a levitate. Then, start peppering the thing with ranged weapons and spells. It stands no chance. But if you charge it, you're going to die. Next, it's will save is a +3. That's just *aching* for spell smacking.

Compare all CR 7 creatures to a 7th level character. No, they just don't compare. Maybe that's why 4 7th level PC's shouldn't be fighting a single 7th level NPC. However, 4 3rd level PCs, or 5th level PCs will be challanged.

My party of 4 6th level PCs faced a 7th level dwarven fighter vampire (CR 9). They didn't kill him, but they reduced him to 0 once, killed his spawn, his 6th level Fighter/rogue vampire cohort (a former character), and the only reason he *did* survive was because he ran, to plague them again.
 
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