CR of an epic kobold?

[fl8m]

i'm about to start an epic campaign and i was thinking of having them run into an epic kobold, the suprise factor alone should be amusing as heck
but i'm not sure what cr it should have, for example a 25th level sorcerer kobold. kobolds have a cr of 1/6 so do i round up? cr 26 or down cr 24? obviously kobolds don't make the best epic characters and i assume thier cr would reflect that but i'm just not sure how to rate them.

 

[Wippit Guud]

I'd say thei're flat 25.

 

[hammymchamham]

yep, you ignore its "racial" hit die and just give it 25 levels, just as if it were a human or elf (who are cr 1/2)

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Yea, by then the inferiourity of the kobold compared to a human will be almost non-existant.

Hmm.... 1000

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

If the CR is 1/6 then obviously you should throw 6 25th level kobold sorcerors for a EL 25 encounter. That will surprise them.

Seriously though, the run-of-the-mill kobold is only so lowly because the standard variety are commoner class. A PC-classed kobold could easily be as effective as any of the standard PC races.

Kobolds are viable as a PC race without significant modification. Pluses: Small, 30' mv, +2 Dex, Darkvision, +1 Natural Armor, +2 to Trapmaking, Mining and Search. Minuses: -4 Str (including sz), Light Sensitivity. On the balance, that is a fine package for a Sorceror or a Rogue character.

 

[Xarlen]

I would actually say a Barb10/Cleric15 would be just as scary. Imagine the buffs that sucker could lay down, before unloading the rage upon them. Especially if the Kobold had the Magic Domain, and had their hands on Contingency from a scroll... Scary.

But, go for the Kobold Sorceror. GO kobolds!

 

[nameless]

Thereafter, it would be great fun to have commoner kobolds find the epic PCs. If they never attack it, they'll never find out it has 3 hp.

 

[hong]

=== REPOST ===


KAIJU KOBOLD (Advanced)

Colossal Magical Beast
Hit Dice: 44d10+484 (726 hp)
Init: -2
Speed: 30 ft
AC: 32 (-8 size, -2 Dex, +30 natural, +2 leather armour)
Attacks: Colossal halfspear +54/+49/+44/+39 melee; or bite +54 melee, 2 claws +49 melee
Damage: Colossal halfspear 4d6+27; or bite 4d6+18, 2 claws 2d8+9
Face/Reach: 40x40 ft/20 ft
Special Attacks: Ray attack, augmented criticals
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 25/+5, darkvision 120 ft, fire resistance 50, SR 25, fast healing 20, see invisibility, immune to mind-influencing effects, light sensitivity
Saves: Fort +35, Ref +22, Will +14
Abilities: Str 46, Dex 7, Con 32, Int 2, Wis 10, Cha 10

Skills: Listen +24, Spot +24.

Feats: Alertness, Cleave, Great Cleave, Power Attack

Climate/Terrain: Any forest and underground
Organisation: Solitary
Challenge Rating: 15
Treasure: None
Alignment: Usually lawful evil
Advancement: --


Augmented Criticals (Ex): The kaiju kobold threatens a critical on an attack roll of 18-20 with its natural attacks, dealing triple damage on a successful critical hit.

Ray Attack (Su): Once every 1d4 rounds, the kaiju kobold can generate a beam of energy from its eyes. The kaiju kobold must make a ranged touch attack to hit the target with its ray; this has a range of 300 ft, and deals 15d6 fire damage.

Immune to Mind-Influencing Effects (Ex): The kaiju kobold is immune to all mind-influencing effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects).

See Invisibility (Su): The kaiju kobold can continuously see invisibility as the spell cast by a 20th level sorcerer. It can suppress or resume this ability as a free action.

Light Sensitivity (Ex): The kaiju kobold suffers a -1 penalty to attack rolls in bright daylight or within the radius of a daylight spell.

 

[Xarlen]

I can see it now. Meepo and Godzilla, the babies...

 

[Kae'Yoss]

If the CR is 1/6 then obviously you should throw 6 25th level kobold sorcerors for a EL 25 encounter. That will surprise them.

You are one evil man!

Seriously though, the run-of-the-mill kobold is only so lowly because the standard variety are commoner class. A PC-classed kobold could easily be as effective as any of the standard PC races.

I think your common member of any race has warrior stats, and that applies to kobolds, too, if I ain't wrong.