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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 9375221" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>In my philosophy (and before this thread blows up into a hundred-page argument, I’m not saying it’s the only valid philosophy), a DC is not a static feature of the world, waiting for a skill check to be made against it; it’s an element of the action resolution process, and therefore can’t be appropriately set without the context of an action being taken by a PC. A cliff face isn’t inherently a DC 20 to climb, the PC’s attempt to climb it might have a DC 20, assuming that what they’re doing to attempt to climb it would be hard - for example, trying to free climb it. The details of the cliff are of course a factor in setting that DC as well. It might only be medium (DC 15) to free climb if it has a lot of cracks and crevices that could serve as hand and footholds, or it might be nearly impossible (DC 25) if it’s smooth and featureless. However, the same smooth cliff face might only be hard (DC 20) to aid climb using hammer and pitons to create features to grip.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 9375221, member: 6779196"] In my philosophy (and before this thread blows up into a hundred-page argument, I’m not saying it’s the only valid philosophy), a DC is not a static feature of the world, waiting for a skill check to be made against it; it’s an element of the action resolution process, and therefore can’t be appropriately set without the context of an action being taken by a PC. A cliff face isn’t inherently a DC 20 to climb, the PC’s attempt to climb it might have a DC 20, assuming that what they’re doing to attempt to climb it would be hard - for example, trying to free climb it. The details of the cliff are of course a factor in setting that DC as well. It might only be medium (DC 15) to free climb if it has a lot of cracks and crevices that could serve as hand and footholds, or it might be nearly impossible (DC 25) if it’s smooth and featureless. However, the same smooth cliff face might only be hard (DC 20) to aid climb using hammer and pitons to create features to grip. [/QUOTE]

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