Create a Soul

[Eltern]

I recall someone posted a question regarding using a combinations to "Create a soul." I think it went like this:
Clone yourself
Animate the clone with Animate dead
Undeath to Death it
Rez it.
Bam, you have another you, I think the idea was. Granted, you might get in a fight, but pheh, the goal is to create a soul, here. Does anyone else remember this post, and if so, what the details were? I'm pretty sure it did not exactly fit with the rules, just like this string of spells doesn't really work, but it's close

Thanks,
Eltern

 

[Sejs]

1.> Clone yourself.
2.> Kill clone.
3.> Animate Dead on the clone, making it a zombie. Gentle Repose to taste.
4.> Awaken Undead on the clone-zombie. This is the important bit, because awakened undead have none of the skills, features, levels, etc of their former lives - it's a brand new sentience.
5.> Chat up the awakened clone-zombie, explaining what its situation is, and what needs to happen from here. This is done primarily to avoid it getting all huffy and resentful; use the diplomacy skill as needed.
6.> Kill clone-zombie, ideally in as painless a way as possible.
7.> Ressurect the dead awakened clone-zombie.

You've now got a living creature with a body (nearly) identical to your own, but with its own mind and soul. A clean slate - it's free to frolic about, learn new things, experience the world, and generally make itself more disparate from its parent, more firmly establishing itself a unique indivudual, rather than a direct copy.

 

[Nightfall]

Skip all that. Just research a true ritual. Get a god's blessing. THEN create a soul.

Cloning is over-rated.

 

[Knight Otu]

I see two potential problems.

1.> Clone yourself.
2.> Kill clone.

The clone won't be alive until you die, so you cannot really kill it.

3.> Animate Dead on the clone, making it a zombie. Gentle Repose to taste.

If you do manage to kill it somehow, ok. But if not, I'm not sure if the clone should count as a real corpse, and thus as a legal target for animate dead.

A duplicate can be grown while the original still lives, or when the original soul is unavailable, but the resulting body is merely a soulless bit of inert flesh, which rots if not preserved.

 

[Sejs]

Skip all that. Just research a true ritual. Get a god's blessing. THEN create a soul.

Cloning is over-rated.

Heh, actually part of the point was creating a soul without having to go up to a god and ask real nice. The player who proposed this to me was playing a (dietyless)cleric/necromancer/mystic theurge, and rather central to the character was driving interest in mucking about with, and mastery over the primal forces of life and death. (Rather than the archtypical "I *heart* undead" -type necromancer). Having to ask for a god's permission would have been totally outside the character's style.

I see two potential problems.
The clone won't be alive until you die, so you cannot really kill it.
If you do manage to kill it somehow, ok. But if not, I'm not sure if the clone should count as a real corpse, and thus as a legal target for animate dead.

*nod* The same issues were raised in the first thread, and really it all came down to Valid Rules Concern About A Grey Area vs DM Just Letting It Slide Due To 'Cool Idea Factor'.

 

[Nightfall]

Okay fine then. He can just use life-force essence to create a soul via true ritual. No god needed then.

 

[Cheiromancer]

Where is Awaken Undead found?

 

[Knight Otu]

It's from Savage Species.

 

[Eltern]

Now you just need some way to make the clone NOT look like you, and you're effectively making babies. Grown up babies. Grown up, formerly zombie babies.

What happens if you don't awaken the undead? Does Ress. just not work?

 

[Sejs]

Polymorph Any Object would do the trick (but may be dispellable). Or you could research a new spell to permanantly alter a forming body's appearance.

As for awakening - if you don't awaken the zombie, then it doesn't have a mind that's different from your own, which would mean that you couldn't res it. It was always mindless, weither alive or undead, so there's no mind that could consent or refuse the resurection.

Now you just need some way to make the clone NOT look like you, and you're effectively making babies. Grown up babies. Grown up, formerly zombie babies.

Yup. Heck, in theory with the (proposed) Modify Forming Life spell you could make the resulting person a youngun so they'd have something vaguely akin to a normal childhood. At least in that they'd have to go about maturing physically and so forth.