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Creating Monsters: Two Questions
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<blockquote data-quote="TheDungeonMathster" data-source="post: 9600082" data-attributes="member: 7043203"><p>For <strong>Question #2</strong>, I think I figured out the issue. I was reading the Area of Effect text, but after that there is a Limited Use paragraph. Combining these yields the (I think) intended ruling.</p><p></p><p>However, this is still flawed in my opinion. Here is a concrete example:</p><p></p><p>Suppose I am making a CR 11 creature. Its average DPR should be 60 (according to TABLE: STATISTICS FOR MONSTERS BY CHALLENGE RATING on page 501).</p><p></p><p>This creature has 3 Claw attacks, each dealing 20. Thus, we get to the 60 DPR.</p><p></p><p>However, this creature also has a Limited Use Area of Effect attack. Let's say it's a 30-foot Emanation effect (which would effectively hit 3 opponents on average) and, since it is limited use, I spend 90 from the damage budget. So, it should deal 70% of 90 = 63. So, I am effectively dealing 63 to each opponent in that Emanation - no matter the size of the Emanation, in fact. </p><p></p><p>Since we can assume a creature is not going to use this ability to only get one target, my true DPR with this single attack is <em>at least</em> 126 (and, very likely, around 189). Of course, since I went over my DPR budget by 90 - 60 = 30, I need to reduce my DPR on subsequent rounds by 15 (half of that 30) each.</p><p></p><p>Thus, the new build after this adjustment is a CR 11 creature with 2 Claws at 20 each and 1 Bite at 5 (thereby getting to the required 45 damage, which is the 60 minus 15), and I will have it open with the Area of Effect at 126 damage (at the very least). Now my DPR is <em>at least</em> (45 + 45 + 126)/3 = 72.</p><p></p><p>This is a DPR comparative to a CR 13 creature. Truth be told, if we are realistic, that emanation will hit 3 targets, and so the true DPR is now (45 + 45+ 189)/3 = 93, which is equivalent DPR to a CR 18 creature.</p><p></p><p>I just think the computations are broken somewhere. Am I doing something wrong?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheDungeonMathster, post: 9600082, member: 7043203"] For [B]Question #2[/B], I think I figured out the issue. I was reading the Area of Effect text, but after that there is a Limited Use paragraph. Combining these yields the (I think) intended ruling. However, this is still flawed in my opinion. Here is a concrete example: Suppose I am making a CR 11 creature. Its average DPR should be 60 (according to TABLE: STATISTICS FOR MONSTERS BY CHALLENGE RATING on page 501). This creature has 3 Claw attacks, each dealing 20. Thus, we get to the 60 DPR. However, this creature also has a Limited Use Area of Effect attack. Let's say it's a 30-foot Emanation effect (which would effectively hit 3 opponents on average) and, since it is limited use, I spend 90 from the damage budget. So, it should deal 70% of 90 = 63. So, I am effectively dealing 63 to each opponent in that Emanation - no matter the size of the Emanation, in fact. Since we can assume a creature is not going to use this ability to only get one target, my true DPR with this single attack is [I]at least[/I] 126 (and, very likely, around 189). Of course, since I went over my DPR budget by 90 - 60 = 30, I need to reduce my DPR on subsequent rounds by 15 (half of that 30) each. Thus, the new build after this adjustment is a CR 11 creature with 2 Claws at 20 each and 1 Bite at 5 (thereby getting to the required 45 damage, which is the 60 minus 15), and I will have it open with the Area of Effect at 126 damage (at the very least). Now my DPR is [I]at least[/I] (45 + 45 + 126)/3 = 72. This is a DPR comparative to a CR 13 creature. Truth be told, if we are realistic, that emanation will hit 3 targets, and so the true DPR is now (45 + 45+ 189)/3 = 93, which is equivalent DPR to a CR 18 creature. I just think the computations are broken somewhere. Am I doing something wrong? [/QUOTE]
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