Creative uses for Illusion ("Image") spells

[Ltheb Silverfrond]

Mirage Arcana interacts with line of effect simply; It doesn't change line of effect. (At least it doesn't say so; Do the RAW get a save if interacting with the Mirage?) So if I make a mirage of a wall look like an open field, and you try to blast me because I am on the other side, your spell will hit the "invisible" wall and fail; No line of effect. You might not know theres a wall there, but the "D&D magic-physics" do.

 

[sirwmholder]

1) So, after casting the Persistent Image, how did the BBEG remove the air from the room? Wish?

2) How does one Scry on a location instead of a creature?

3) The duration of Persistent Image is one round per level. How did the BBEG know when to cast it, then cast Teleport to get out of the room (he had to be in the sealed room in order to have line of effect for Persistent Image), and then cast Wish to remove the air from the room?

It sounds like the DM screwed over the players and hand waved away some rules doing it.

1) I'm not sure how the BBEG removed the air as I was not DMing at the time... The BBEG was a lich and didn't need air anyway so I've never thought to ask.

2) I may have gotten ahead of myself in the description... the party scryed for the BBEG, being a reoccurring villain we just really wanted to kill him. The map was used to aid in teleporting us to the location.

3) Again I don't know... maybe a contingency or alarm went off when we scryed on him.

*) That is entirely possible, though we had fun up to the point we died... and we did learn sometimes it's not enough just to look once before you leap.

William Holder

 

[lukelightning]

How about an illusion spell that makes you semi-tranparent, exactly as if you were a "disbelieved" illusion. First you send some real illusions to bug your enemies...they disbelieve 'em, then you show up like you're an illusion as well.

 

[Deset Gled]

1) I'm not sure how the BBEG removed the air as I was not DMing at the time... The BBEG was a lich and didn't need air anyway so I've never thought to ask.

Removing oxygen from an enclosed space is actually pretty easy, and requires no magic. Just light a fire. Once all the oxygen is burned up, the fire will burn out.

/threadjack

 

[Hypersmurf]

Why? It's magic. If glamer magic can make something invisible, it is reasonable that it can represent 3D illusions for glamers, not 2D ones.

Can a glamer show a different effect to two different observers? Like the earlier guardsman example - would it be possible for a single glamer to show the guardsman's face in two opposite directions, or would one see his face and the other the back of his head?

-Hyp.

 

[Nail]

Removing oxygen from an enclosed space is actually pretty easy, and requires no magic. Just light a fire. Once all the oxygen is burned up, the fire will burn out.

/threadjack

Just in case you care:<Chem Geek Mode=on>

A square room, 30 ft on a side, requires about 200 kg of wood to burn completely to use up all of it's oxygen.

Just in case that's of any use to you.
</mode>

 

[KarinsDad]

Can a glamer show a different effect to two different observers? Like the earlier guardsman example - would it be possible for a single glamer to show the guardsman's face in two opposite directions, or would one see his face and the other the back of his head?

I don't understand why it would not be possible to have a face on two sides of a humanoid glamer.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I don't understand why it would not be possible to have a face on two sides of a humanoid glamer.

And if we had a third observer, perpendicular to the other two, would he see the profiles of both faces? Or could he also be looking at the image 'front-on', despite it contradicting what the other observers see?

I guess that is the root of my question. Can Mirage Arcana cause a building to appear as a ruin from the south (allowing observers clear views through the 'wreckage' to the north), but entire from the north (blocking line of sight to people looking southwards)? In other words, can a glamer 'contradict' itself to different observers, or must it have a self-consistent shape?

-Hyp.

 

[Maldor]

On the topic of Illusion ideas my favorite was a complete replica of the BBEG's lair that was sealed off and a 'secret map' showed the location. The PC's scryed into it and saw the BBEG barking orders and pacing around his great room. The party had the mage teleport everyone inside. Once inside it was truly sealed off... there was no air. The BBEG was a persistent Illusion and the map was planted by him to kill the PC's... needless to say it worked.

why didn't you just teleport out
if he put up a D-lock you can dispell that
if you needed to sleep to get the spells back use a camp spell like rope trick
or you could just blast a hole in the door/wall
or dig

 

[Jondor_Battlehammer]

Create a rift in your dungeon, say 30' across, as deep as you like. Down below can be seen the remnants of an old bridge that has given way. However, dangling from the ceiling are several chains that look as if they once held the bridge up. As "luck" would have it, one of those chains is just inside jumping distance, if you get a good running start...