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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 7989191" data-attributes="member: 57383">Okay, the main points I'd like to address is adding a Capsize/Ram special attack or separate Capsize and Ram attacks, since these existed in the AD&D originals but went AWOL in the CC's conversion.We might want to tweak some of the original's numbers a little but most of its stats look fairly sound.Once we're done with the 3.5 overhaul I'd like to stat up a Young Afanc.Let's start by figuring out what numbers from the 3.0 version to keep:Afanc [Enworld Creature Catalog 3.0 Conversion]Gargantuan Beast (Aquatic)Needs to become a Magical Beast since it is Intelligent and has special powers.Hit Dice: 15d10+105 (187 hp)No point straying from the Fifteen HD of the AD&D versions.Initiative: 0Apart from missing a "+" that's fine.Speed: Swim 40 ftA decent match to the originals' 15″ swim so let's keep its 40 ft. swim speed.AC: 14 (-4 size, +8 natural)Way too low to be competitive, how about increasing the NA to +14 or +16?Attacks: Bite +17 melee, or 2 flippers +17 meleeThe +17 attack is wrong. I make it +19: BAB +11 from fifteen ¾-attack HD, +12 from Str, –4 from size.  Also, shouldn't the flippers be a secondary attack? Regardless, its attacks will go up significantly due to it becoming a Magical Beast with full-attack HD.Damage: Bite 5d4+18, or flipper 3d4+12Hurr… I'd be inclined to change the base damage to conventional d6s or d8s and would definitely consider making the flippers damage bonus the conventional ×½ secondary although would be happy keeping the ×1½ primary for the bite rather than changing it to ×1 as it only has a single attack with that option.Face/Reach: 20 ft by 40 ft/10 ftPresumably we'll use the standard 20 ft./15 ft. for a Gargantuan short-reach monster. Its fins and head aren't anywhere near elongated enough to justify long-reach.Special Attacks: Whirlpool, swallow wholeWe'd better add a Capsize/Ram type special attack and I think the Whirlpool attack needs tweaking (for a start, the 2E version was "partially magical in nature" and could be affected by dispel magic).  Also, shouldn't it have Improved Grab to go with its Swallow Whole?Special Qualities:Guess we could add Low-light vision or scent.  It also needs to have Amphibious, since they "are capable of breathing both air and water" in 1E and the CC version.Saves: Fort +16, Ref +9, Will +6Saves are fine.Abilities: Str 35, Dex 11, Con 24, Int 6, Wis 13, Cha 10Stats are perfectly sound for a Gargantuan brute-type monster although I'm wondering why it has Charisma 10 - guess that helps the few talking ones to lure sailors to their doom, or just to give them a decent singing voice!Skills: Listen +12, Spot +12, Swim +1615 HD and Int 6 gives it 18 SPs, which'd be Listen +10, Spot +10 if split evenly.  That strongly implies it has the Alertness feat.  Also, its Swim skill should be +20 (12 from Str plus a 8 racial bonus).Feats:It needs six feats.  We can leave them for later debate.Climate: Warm aquaticWarm aquatic's the best match to the original. Why does 3E only have the one "Aquatic" habitat? It doesn't even divide by fresh- or salt-water!  That's long bugged me.Organization: SolitaryMatches the originalChallenge Rating: 14No way they're as lethal as CR 14.  I'd eyeball them as being CR 10 or 11, a Challenge Rating or two below a Purple Worm which has Poison and Burrow as well as the Afanc's Swallow Whole.  The Whirlpool/Capsize ability doesn't improve its damage dealing ability after all.Treasure: NoneThis matches the 1E's "Nil" but the 2E had "See below" due to its eggs being valuable delicacies. Do we want to do anything with that?Alignment: Always neutral (evil tendencies)I don't think "(evil tendencies)" follows standard 3E monster formatting.  We could either make it "Always neutral (often evil) or simply "Neutral evil" to make it invariably malevolent.  I prefer the former.Advancement: 16-30 HD (Gargantuan); 31-45 HD (Colossal)This is OK, but if we do stat up Young Afanc I'm wondering how the Advancement will match up.  They're 5 HD and 15 ft. long in the 2E sources that debuted in, suggesting the two stages go something like:Young Afanc: 5–7 HD (Large); 8–14 HD (Huge)Adult Afanc: 15–30 HD (Large); 31–45 HD (Colossal)it'll also need a Level Adjustment, I don't think many players would want to play one, so "Level Adjustment: —" seems appropriate.</blockquote>

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