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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5864888" data-attributes="member: 54877">I started with Basic and AD&D; ran them for a long time.  I disagree with your premises and your conclusions.  I'm not the only one with that background that does so.  Despite what some of you guys keep telling yourselves, 3E/4E were not liked solely because they were only played/ran by people who became aware of roleplaying this century.   It worked ok--once you played with it awhile, as Avin said.  That is, once you had played long enough to develop your own, ad hoc sense of what creatures could do.  Perhaps the difference is not in who started play when, but between those of us who played and remembered how it actually was to learn it cold, versus those that didn't?</blockquote>