Critique some [Force] based spells for me

[der_kluge]

Yes, but what Angcuru was pointing out, that as it is, force sphere enables you to cast it once, and move it twice each round as a move-equivalent.

So:

1st round 2d8 + 2d8
2nd round 2d8 + 2d8
3rd round 2d8 +2d8
etc.

All for one 2nd level spell.
I think toning it down to something like 2d4 would be more reasonable.

 

[Malicene]

Just to point out that :
force descriptor have 2 major effects :
- no resistance (compared to fire/cold resistance)
- force spell can hit Ethereal creatures/character.

so IMO Force spell should go thru a MetaFeat, as a feat allows priest to do Holy damage (1/2 damage of spell) a Force Spell feat should be invented .....

 

[Technik4]

die_kluge:

I was in agreement with you Its definitely too powerful as written (2d8, twice a round). The only other real trouble I have is that most effects dont have a saving throw, they just occur. I think thats the biggest problem with making force damage spells that are consistent with existing spells.

Technik

 

[der_kluge]

Technik4, all these spells grant a saving throw. The only spell I know of that does [Force] damage is magic missile, which doesn't allow a saving throw. Show me one other spell that deals [Force] damage. I mean, that's pretty faulty logic: "magic missile deals force damage and has no save - therefore all spells that deal force damage must not require a save." Pfeh


Malicene, not that I don't believe you, but where in the books does it say that Force damage affects ethereal creatures.

From the SRD (ghost template entry):

"As ethereal creatures, they cannot affect or be affected by anything in the material world. "

It makes no mention of [Force] spells being the exception.

Really, I hear all this talk about [Force] spells being the shiznit, but I have yet to find anything in any sourcebook that specifically talks about what [Force] damage does.

 

[der_kluge]

Subsequently, I intend to add the [Force] descriptor to a lot of other spells - all the Bigby's spells, for example, and Telekinesis.

 

[las]

Force Burst
Evocation [Force]
Level: Sor/Wiz 3
Components: V,S
Casting time: 1 action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area: 10-ft. radius spread
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Reflex half
Spell Resistance: Yes

A force burst spell is a burst of pure force that explodes dealing 1d8 points of force damage per caster level (maximum 10d8). This damage can either be real damage, or subdual damage, if the caster desires. The caster can unerringly target any location that he can see within the range of the spell.

Ok on this spell you can make it do 1d4 points of force damage and it can have the 20-ft. radius spread. I made a stronger one (5th level) that did a max of 15d4 points of damage (max 60 points of damage).

If you want I can post my force spells here for you to use.

 

[der_kluge]

las, yes, post your version. I'd very much like to see it.

 

[las]

ok Ill post it plus two others that I have made

Forceball
Evocation (Force)
Level: Sor/Wiz 5
Components: V, S, M
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area: 20-ft, radius spread
Casting Time: 1 action
Saving Throw: Reflex half
Spell Resistance: Yes

As fireball, except what’s noted above and what’s next. It does 1d4 points of force damage per caster level (Max 15d4). This does not set things on fire like fireball.
Material Component: A glass ball worth 10 gp.

Force Beam
Evocation [Force]
Level: Sor/Wiz 7
Components: V, S, F
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Casting Time: 1 action
Target: One Creature
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: Yes

A swirling beam of force comes from your out stretched hand. You must succeed at a ranged touch attack to hit your target. This spell deals 1d4 points of force damage for per caster level (max 20d4 Force Damage).
Focus: A glass ball worth 10 gp.

Force Dart
Evocation (Force)
Level: Sor/Wiz 4
Components: V, S, M
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target: One Creature
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: Yes

You throw a dart made of force at your target. You must succed at a ranged touch attack to hit your target. The needle deals a total of 1d4 points of force damage per caster level (maximum 15d4-force damage)
Material Component: A glass dart worth 1 gp.


There they are. Thats whats left out of alot of force spells I made they came out the best not overpowered and have there own flaver as well.

 

[las]

Also I made a force mag Prc but it did not work out. I might try again if you want.

 

[der_kluge]

Those are pretty good, except I'm not sure I'd want to roll 15d4! Would 1d8 every 2 levels be more wieldy?