Casimir Liber
Adventurer
Ok - changing percep to 11
been a bit slow on teh mummies - will do soon and yes!
And def a greater/bull allosaurus.
been a bit slow on teh mummies - will do soon and yes!
And def a greater/bull allosaurus.
Review Crocodile mummies
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Cleon
Hero
Give me the D&D Beyond link once you're done and I'll update the 5th Edition Monster Index.
No hurry!
I'll post a Working Draft.
We need to decide on the Challenge. I'm thinking either 4 or 4, so its midway between the CR 2 Allosaurus and the CR 8 Tyrannosaurus rex.
Cleon
Hero
Dinosaur—Allosaurus, Greater
Huge beast, unaligned
Armor Class 13 (natural armor)
Hit Points 85 (9d12 + 27)
Speed 60 ft.
Skills Perception +5
Senses passive Perception 15
Languages —
Challenge 4 (1,100 XP) Proficiency Bonus +2
Pounce. If the allosaurus moves at least 30 feet straight toward a creature and then hits it with a claw attack on the same turn, that target must succeed on a DC 15 Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. If the target is prone, the allosaurus can make one bite attack against it as a bonus action.
Actions
Bite. Melee Weapon Attack: +8 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 22 (3d10 + 6) piercing damage.
Claw. Melee Weapon Attack: +8 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 13 (2d6 + 6) slashing damage.
Description
An allosaurus of unusual size, over 30 feet in length and weighing a couple of tons or more. Like other allosaurs, they sometimes travel in pairs of mates or siblings. If there is only one greater allosaurus in a mated pair, it is often a female as these grow larger than males.
Carnivorous Mobs. A greater allosaurus may be accompanied by one or more normal allosaurus (see page 79 of the Monster Manual). These smaller dinosaurs may be its mate or offspring of the greater allosaurus, but can be unrelated individuals that hang around them. Such groups do not hunt as a cooperative pack but will gang up injured animals like a school of sharks. Once they have made a kill, the most powerful allosaurus in the group feasts first, followed by the smaller and less powerful members. Vicious but short-lived squabbles often break out over this feeding hierarchy.
(Original monster designed by Casimir Liber and Cleon on the Creature Catalog Monster Homebrews forum)
Huge beast, unaligned
Armor Class 13 (natural armor)
Hit Points 85 (9d12 + 27)
Speed 60 ft.
STR | DEX | CON | INT | WIS | CHA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
23 (+6) | 13 (+1) | 17 (+3) | 2 (–4) | 12 (+1) | 5 (–3) |
Skills Perception +5
Senses passive Perception 15
Languages —
Challenge 4 (1,100 XP) Proficiency Bonus +2
Pounce. If the allosaurus moves at least 30 feet straight toward a creature and then hits it with a claw attack on the same turn, that target must succeed on a DC 15 Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. If the target is prone, the allosaurus can make one bite attack against it as a bonus action.
Actions
Bite. Melee Weapon Attack: +8 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 22 (3d10 + 6) piercing damage.
Claw. Melee Weapon Attack: +8 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 13 (2d6 + 6) slashing damage.
Description
An allosaurus of unusual size, over 30 feet in length and weighing a couple of tons or more. Like other allosaurs, they sometimes travel in pairs of mates or siblings. If there is only one greater allosaurus in a mated pair, it is often a female as these grow larger than males.
Carnivorous Mobs. A greater allosaurus may be accompanied by one or more normal allosaurus (see page 79 of the Monster Manual). These smaller dinosaurs may be its mate or offspring of the greater allosaurus, but can be unrelated individuals that hang around them. Such groups do not hunt as a cooperative pack but will gang up injured animals like a school of sharks. Once they have made a kill, the most powerful allosaurus in the group feasts first, followed by the smaller and less powerful members. Vicious but short-lived squabbles often break out over this feeding hierarchy.
(Original monster designed by Casimir Liber and Cleon on the Creature Catalog Monster Homebrews forum)
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Cleon
Hero
Okay, the above placeholder mostly just has the standard Allosaurus stats in it.
There's quite a difference between Challenge 4 and Challenge 5 as the latter has a +3 Proficiency Bonus.
I'm currently leaning towards STR 23 (+6), DEX 13 (+1), CON 17 (+3) and Challenge 4 (XP 1,100).
Increase the attacks to, say Bite +8 to hit, 22 (3d10 + 6) slashing and Claw +8 to hit, 13 (2d6 + 6) slashing.
That averages 26.833 DPR (assuming it Pounces every three rounds).
According to the CR Calculator it'd need between 8 and 10 HD to hit CR 4, so I'd aim midway to Hit Points 85 (9d12 + 27).
…and that's all it takes!
There's quite a difference between Challenge 4 and Challenge 5 as the latter has a +3 Proficiency Bonus.
I'm currently leaning towards STR 23 (+6), DEX 13 (+1), CON 17 (+3) and Challenge 4 (XP 1,100).
Increase the attacks to, say Bite +8 to hit, 22 (3d10 + 6) slashing and Claw +8 to hit, 13 (2d6 + 6) slashing.
That averages 26.833 DPR (assuming it Pounces every three rounds).
According to the CR Calculator it'd need between 8 and 10 HD to hit CR 4, so I'd aim midway to Hit Points 85 (9d12 + 27).
…and that's all it takes!
Cleon
Hero
I thought about lowering the DEX to 11 (+0) but decided I preferred it to be as agile as the regular version, which probably isn't that much smaller.
A Greater Allosaurus is probably in the region of 4,000 to 5,000 pounds and over 30 feet long.
The standard Allosaurus is likely about half that weight (1,500 to 2,500 pounds) and around 25 feet. That seems reasonable for an "average sized" Allosaur, representing a large subadult or a small but fully mature individual. It's roughly the weight of a Polar Bear, whose Challenge Rating 2 matches the 5E Allosaurus.
A big adult Allosaurus fragilis would have weighed a couple of tons, so should be a more formidable adversary than a polar bear, but that's why we're doing this Homebrew!
Casimir Liber
Adventurer
fasolasuchus now here
I would have leaned to CR 5 to get that extra +1 to hit chomp....but if you feel better at CR 4 and it all "fits" then that is fine. Happy to duplicate once yr happy. Agree about same dex
I can't fix header of thread tho
croc mummy - will do others later as need to sleep
I would have leaned to CR 5 to get that extra +1 to hit chomp....but if you feel better at CR 4 and it all "fits" then that is fine. Happy to duplicate once yr happy. Agree about same dex
I can't fix header of thread tho
croc mummy - will do others later as need to sleep
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Cleon
Hero
That looks fine. I'll add it to the Index later.
Challenge 5 would also give it Perception +7 as the Allosaurus have double proficiency in Perception, which seemed a bit too high a bump to me.
It could have single Proficiency for Perception +4 like a Tyrannosaurus I guess, but that didn't seem quite right either. Actually, a Tyrannosaur would likely see BETTER than an Allosaur so I reckon should have a higher Perception than one, but I didn't write the 5E dinosaurs' stats.
The +9 to hit of a CR 5 Allosaurus didn't matter much to me, but it would probably have Hit Points 114 (12d12 + 36) too, which seems a too tough.
Even the Challenge 4 Greater Allosaurus I propose above has nine more hit points than a 5E Elephant (85 vs 76) while being smaller than one. An average-sized Indian Elephant is heavier than all but the largest Allosaur, while an African Elephant would be considerably heftier.
Giving it 50% more hit points than a 5E Elephant seems to be going too far.
Casimir Liber
Adventurer
ok, that all seems reasonable - CR 4 it is
Cleon
Hero
I've updated the Greater Allosaurus and added a Description.
Updated the Completed Fifth Edition Creatures Index to add the Fasolasuchus.
Casimir Liber
Adventurer
Ok Greater Allosaurus duly dndbeyonded
Cleon
Hero
It should have Hit Points 85 (9d12 + 27), it's the standard Allosaurus that has 51 hp.
Presumably you forgot to change it.
Casimir Liber
Adventurer
Cleon
Hero
Casimir Liber
Adventurer
Cleon
Hero
Okay, regarding the Crocodile Mummy I'm wondering whether it need their AC and Rotting Bite tweaked a bit.
A regular 5E Mummy has an AC slightly better than a human of the same stats (a DEX 8 human is AC 9, while a Mummy is AC 11), so I'm thinking a mummified crocodile might similarly be slightly harder to injure than a living Crocodile. Maybe AC 13 or 14, with AC 15 or 16 for the Giant version and Fasto?
The regular Croc Mummy appears to have lost the necrotic damage from its bite and only does necrotic damage from the associated curse.
Also, it's missing a comma and shouldn't it say "crocodile mummy" rather than "crocodile"?
Like so:
Rotting Bite #1. Melee Weapon Attack: +6 to hit, reach 5 ft., one creature. Hit: 15 (2d10 + 4) piercing damage plus 14 (4d6) necrotic damage, and the target is grappled (escape DC 14). Until this grapple ends, the target is restrained, and the crocodile mummy can't bite another target. If the target is a creature, it must succeed on a DC 13 Constitution saving throw or be cursed with mummy rot. The cursed target can't regain hit points, and its hit point maximum decreases by 14 (4d6) for every 24 hours that elapse. If the curse reduces the target's hit points to 0, the target dies, and its body turns to dust. The curse lasts until removed by the remove curse spell or other magic.
However, I'm wondering whether it shouldn't do the same amount of rotting damage as a regular Mummy, since it's basically the same monster in crocodilian form and I'm not sure why it would carry a stronger curse. I can understand why that'd be the case for the Giant Crocodile Mummy, but it seems a bit odd for the smaller version.
If it carried an identical curse to a standard Mummy, its bite would become:
Rotting Bite #2. Melee Weapon Attack: +6 to hit, reach 5 ft., one creature. Hit: 15 (2d10 + 4) piercing damage plus 10 (3d6) necrotic damage, and the target is grappled (escape DC 14). Until this grapple ends, the target is restrained, and the crocodile mummy can't bite another target. If the target is a creature, it must succeed on a DC 13 Constitution saving throw or be cursed with mummy rot. The cursed target can't regain hit points, and its hit point maximum decreases by 10 (3d6) for every 24 hours that elapse. If the curse reduces the target's hit points to 0, the target dies, and its body turns to dust. The curse lasts until removed by the remove curse spell or other magic.
That's still works out to around Challenge 4 and I think I like it a little better.
Cleon
Hero
For the Giant Crocodile Mummy, I reckon the bite and tail should both do the same amount of necrotic damage, but if I plug my original suggestion of 6d6 necrotic damage into the CR Calculated it comes out to around Challenge 14, not the CR 10 of your version as you'd left out the 21 points of necrotic damage from each attack.
If we reduce the damage to the as a regular Giant Crocodile plus a 4d6 necrotic damage curse, it comes out to Challenge 11 (7,200), which is close enough in that at least it's within the +4 Proficiency Bonus range:
Rotting Bite. Melee Weapon Attack: +11 to hit, reach 5 ft., one creature. Hit: 23 (3d10 + 7) piercing damage plus 14 (4d6) necrotic damage, and the target is grappled (escape DC 19). Until this grapple ends, the target is restrained, and the giant crocodile mummy can't bite another target. If the target is a creature, it must succeed on a DC 17 Constitution saving throw or be cursed with mummy rot. The cursed target can't regain hit points, and its hit point maximum decreases by 14 (4d6) for every 24 hours that elapse. If the curse reduces the target's hit points to 0, the target dies, and its body turns to dust. The curse lasts until removed by the remove curse spell or other magic.
Rotting Tail. Melee Weapon Attack: +11 to hit, reach 10 ft., one creature. Hit: 16 (2d8 + 7) piercing damage plus 14 (4d6) necrotic damage. If the target is a creature it must succeed on a DC 19 Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. In addition, the creature must succeed on a DC 17 Constitution saving throw or be cursed with mummy rot. The cursed target can't regain hit points, and its hit point maximum decreases by 14 (4d6) for every 24 hours that elapse. If the curse reduces the target's hit points to 0, the target dies, and its body turns to dust. The curse lasts until removed by the remove curse spell or other magic.
It'd be easy enough to make it Challenge 10 by reducing the number of Hit Dice.
If it had Hit Points 161 (15d12 + 75) the CR Calculator says it's CR 10.
EDIT:
Just noticed a slight error.
The SRD Giant Crocodile either has double proficiency in Stealth or single proficiency with an arbitrary +3 bonus, suggesting a Giant Crocodile Mummy should have Stealth +6 or +5 rather than +4.
I prefer Stealth +5 to match the living version.
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Cleon
Hero
Okay, I'd favour the same AC increase and HD decrease as the Giant Croc Mummy proposals above.
That is, Armor Class 15 or 16 and Hit Points 184 (16d12 + 80).
It's got the Giant Croc's movement speeds, a Fasolasuchus is faster on the ground.
Maybe Speed 30 ft., swim 15 ft.?
Shouldn't it be DEX 10 (+0) rather than 9 (–1) since the other mummies have Dexterity two lower than the living version?
That'd give it the Stealth +4 it's listed with.
As for the Actions, the bite and tail need the same damage tweaks as the Giant Croc, and its Death Shake should carry the rotting curse too.
Oh, and it should have "fasolasuchus mummy" rather than "crocodile".
Like so:
Rotting Bite. Melee Weapon Attack: +11 to hit, reach 5 ft., one creature. Hit: 23 (3d10 + 7) piercing damage plus 14 (4d6) necrotic damage, and the target is grappled (escape DC 19). Until this grapple ends, the target is restrained, and the fasolasuchus mummy can't bite another target. If the target is a creature, it must succeed on a DC 17 Constitution saving throw or be cursed with mummy rot. The cursed target can't regain hit points, and its hit point maximum decreases by 14 (4d6) for every 24 hours that elapse. If the curse reduces the target's hit points to 0, the target dies, and its body turns to dust. The curse lasts until removed by the remove curse spell or other magic.
Rotting Death Shake. If the fasolasuchus mummy has grappled a target smaller than itself with its jaws it can savagely shake its head. The grappled creature must make a DC 16 Constitution saving throw, taking 16 (2d10 + 5) piercing damage plus 16 (2d10 + 5) slashing damage and 28 (8d6) necrotic damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. In addition, the creature must succeed on a DC 17 Constitution saving throw or be cursed with mummy rot. The cursed target can't regain hit points, and its hit point maximum decreases by 14 (4d6) for every 24 hours that elapse. If the curse reduces the target's hit points to 0, the target dies, and its body turns to dust. The curse lasts until removed by the remove curse spell or other magic.
Rotting Tail. Melee Weapon Attack: +11 to hit, reach 10 ft., one creature. Hit: 16 (2d8 + 7) piercing damage plus 14 (4d6) necrotic damage. If the target is a creature it must succeed on a DC 19 Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. In addition, the creature must succeed on a DC 17 Constitution saving throw or be cursed with mummy rot. The cursed target can't regain hit points, and its hit point maximum decreases by 14 (4d6) for every 24 hours that elapse. If the curse reduces the target's hit points to 0, the target dies, and its body turns to dust. The curse lasts until removed by the remove curse spell or other magic.
I think that's everything and, if I'm reading the CR Calculator right, still comes to Challenge 10.
Casimir Liber
Adventurer
Duly incorporated all changes ...pondering on descriptions...
Casimir Liber
Adventurer
Belatedly finishing the descriptions..
for crocodile mummy:
"Crocodile mummies are mummified remains animated by ancient necromantic rituals to serve as guardians in funerary or religious complexes. Like human mummies, they are bound in linen enchanted with dark magic, however they lack intelligence and free will, functioning more as automata like skeletons or zombies."
(doesn't really need to say anything more does it?)
for crocodile mummy:
"Crocodile mummies are mummified remains animated by ancient necromantic rituals to serve as guardians in funerary or religious complexes. Like human mummies, they are bound in linen enchanted with dark magic, however they lack intelligence and free will, functioning more as automata like skeletons or zombies."
(doesn't really need to say anything more does it?)
Cleon
Hero
The wording seems a bit clunky. How about:
Mummified crocodiles animated by ancient necromantic rituals as guardians of funerary or religious complexes. Like human mummies, these remains are bound in linen enchanted with dark magic. However, crocodile mummies lack intelligence and free will, functioning as undead automata like skeletons or zombies.
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