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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belzamus" data-source="post: 4962254" data-attributes="member: 61612">Okay...I think I'm doing something wrong then. Let's see if we can clear this up. U_K, I have an email from about 3 years ago where I asked why a Time Lord, who gets 200 Divine Slots, would only have 1 Omnific and no other abilities, to which you replied,  Now, from this I gathered that it could trade in each of its artifacts for an additional number of divine abilities equal to its divine rank (+200, one Omnific costs 200). So, with this reasoning in mind, whenever I design a deity, I give them a number of Divine Abilities equal to their Divne Rank x5 (x1 from the template and x4 for each artifact sacrificed) and then subtract the worth of any artifacts they do use from there. However, and this just struck me,  4 Omnific Abilities is worth 800 ECL. Equipment comprises 1/3 ECL. A Time Lord's ECL is 2000. 1/3 of 2,000 is 667. Now let's look at a Greater Deity for a smaller example. They would get 64 bonus Divine Abilities (16x4)Their ECL is 160.1/3 of 160 is 53. I can see it's close, and I believe you told me somewhere else that that's a quick-and-dirty conversion, but in that case, I don't see how it meshes with the /2, /2.8 rules. Say a Time Lord is wielding a +714 sword, wearing +1000 Armor, and wielding a +1000 Shield.  It says in Ascension that a +6 Magic Item Modifier is equal to 1 ECL is equal to 1 Divine Ability. By this logic, the Time Lord's sword is worth 119 Divine Abilities and his Armor and Shield are each worth 167 Divine Abilities. This results in a serious deficiency compared to giving him 4 Omnific Abilities. For the Greater Deity, he would have a +57 Sword, +80 armor, and a +80 shield, equating to: 9 divines for the sword, and thirteen divines for each the armor and the shield. (Let's assume another 13 for a wonderous item) That gives him 48 Divine Abilities worth of equipment, where he would have 64 from a straight conversion. What really sticks out about this, though, is that if equipment is 1/3 ECL and immortals typically have a Divine Bonus equal to 1/10 ECL, giving them 4xDivine Bonus ECL in equipment is 4/10 ECL, which converted is 12/30 compared to 10/30, which doesn't look like a huge difference, but when it lets a First One have a half-a-dozen more Cosmic Abilities, it really makes a difference. But...I guess it's just a different way of doing it, it just causes my immortals to come out under-CR'd, I think, which in turn makes the monsters in the Bestiary look over-CR'd in comparison.  I guess what I'm wondering is, for a quick-and-easy conversion, why not just divide ECL by 3 and give them THAT many Divine Abilities in place of artifacts? Sorry for that exceptionally long and largely useless post.</blockquote>

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