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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 4971969" data-attributes="member: 29746">Keep in mind, again, that the party I'm talking about is currently around ECL 700 rather than 492.Also, both melee characters have taken the ability (I forget its name) that lets their attacks always deal maximum damage. That makes a difference, when you get a lot of dice involved- they always deal the same (massive) amount, instead of something that would be maybe 40% less if we assume that the STR bonus is significantly smaller than the dice.Third, they're both using Uncanny Weapon Specialization, which means that yes, in fact VSCs (or anyway effective size increases on weapons) are coming into play. Heavily. They're both got STR in the hundreds and are milking it for all they're worth- I actually capped Uncanny Weapon Spec at the level Neutronium offers (+15 effective sizes) after seeing how the numbers really got out of hand when they could just add VSCs like crazy.Fourth, that guy doing the million points typically assumes the form of a Fang Dragon, age category 15 or thereabouts, modified by several templates and using something like 14 Divine Immensities stacked together until his body's around 6 miles long. Fang Dragons, by race, get to deal attack damage as if one size larger; he adds Improved Natural Attack to that, and then piles on a bunch of other bonuses to effective size. Since the attack damage by size goes up on an exponential curve, it gets nasty real quick, especially if you're always dealing max damage.So yes, he deals over a million points when he Bites.EDIT: Oh, and Dervish guy has a DEX in the range of 1000 or so, if memory serves (don't have his data right in front of me to check); combine that with his divine bonus and a bunch of other bonuses he gets to add to Initiative thanks to his classes (for example, Swashbuckler gets to add the INT bonus), and his Init modifier is above +600 even if he didn't have Perfect Initiative (which he does). So yes, the Nexus Dragon's little tricks didn't save it- the subtraction aura gave the party pause, true, but they carefully stacked buffs and items and other preparations until they were certain they wouldn't lose anything to it that they cared about. That's why it took them two entire sessions to prep before finally attacking one.The Neutronium Golem gave them brief pause, since they knew its printed CR is through the roof, but after they did their usual divinations and such to scout its abilities in character, and actually sat down to do some calculations, they figured that as long as the two melee guys were teleported in right next to it and everybody else was kept around 3000 miles away, they'd be fine. And so they were.EDIT SQUARED: I should also point out, in fairness, that even your own First One is awfully close to the million-point mark if you take the exponential size curve into account. All he'd need to do is take (and use) 6 Divine Immensities to multiply his damage by x8, which is well past 1 million. And he'd be smaller than the melee guys in my ECL 700 party (at full size), in that case. Divine Immensity is a huge power booster to fighting characters, with the way damage increases by size.</blockquote>

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