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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 9220742" data-attributes="member: 23484">Sorry for the necro, but since Horwath has linked this thread in a post this morning, I thought it was worth going through this in detail. I like a lot of the ideas here, but as-is, it is overpowered for its customizability. I followed the thread when it started, but didn't participate. I've thought about this list since then, and so share some thoguhts.Six is reasonable, and mostly maps onto what we get in PHB lineages. A case could be made for only 5, since you are customizing it for precisely what you want -- with most lineages there are non-optimized features included. This removes the need for that. If an optimizer would only ever take the custom lineage, then it's too strong.So if this were a replacement for lineage/species/race, then fine.The shopping list is mostly good. I'm going to start with the negatives.In my view, none of these are real penalties, and aren't worth an extra point.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Slow has essentaily been written out; it can come with small size but it doesn't really impede play in a meaningful way.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Small size has a few limitations and a few benefits. Do they cancel each other? Mostly, yes. Not worth a point. This is flavour. Again, the game has already shown this with the "S or M" races in MotM. Players can choose whether their species is M or S. Leave it at that.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sunlight sensitivity -- discussed below, but shouldn't be a penalty except in exchange for 120' darkvision.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">-1 to an ability: not at all balanced. Players are already putting stats where they want. This is just giving benefits for taking hits on dump stats. If you start down this road, you need to commit: -2 to Dex, Wis, on Con and you get a build point.</li> </ul>It should HURT to take weaknesses. None of these hurt.The rest is mostly great. I'll comment where I have tweaks.Being able to choose Longbow, rapier, and Thieves' tools is too much for one point, in my view. I'd limit it to a benefit one could only take once, and also put a restriction that only one of these three could be included.I'd save expertise for classes.I'd roll these together: for 1 point you get 60'darkvision (120' if you also take sunlight sensitivity).max once.This seems very powerful. I'd choose it every time, multiple times if possible. 3 points?It wold be a big investment, but I can see some players wanting that maneuverability, so ok.I would place burrow speed much higher -- 3 points? between teleport and fly. It solves so many problems.possibly 5, if 6 points are available. (or 4 but must be small?)Ok.The option of tolling this together might make sense in light of some of the species we've seen -- you get a level 1 at 1, a level 2 at 3, and a level 3 at 5. Even then, the lack of constraints will play into easy optimizing, so it would probably be worth three or four points all together. At the same time, I could see a case for a magical spider species being able to buy one casting of Web or whatever -- 2 points if you are mix and matching, and taking one casting of a single spell of level 1 or 2 spell, or a level 3 spell that is not an attack (to exclude Fireball). That actually maps the Fairy race from MotM well: Flight and one casting of Enlarge/Reduce. I really like the way you frame this. Not the way the game is going, but it's smart.Large frame should only be available if you are M. Similarly, there are some that should only be available for small. Perhaps:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">move through another's space in combat if small (= Halfling's Nimble), 1 point.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">advantage to hide if small, 2 points</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">flight, as suggested above.</li> </ul>All in all, it's a very reasonable list. And it might be that my objections just show the way I would choose to (ab)use the system. There are other things I would add as options, too. Here's a few:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the gnome's advantage on saves vs. spells. 3 pts.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a glide/soft landing ability, that acts as a personal-only Feather Fall prof/long rest (or 1/long rest) 2 points. (add "not in heavy armor" perhaps)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">if you were using this to replace all species selection, then the half-orc's relentless Endurance 3 points?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">telepathic communication (requires line of sight, one-way, must share a language) 1 point.</li> </ul>Overall, I think you have a system that would be a very workable hack, as long as the negative options to buy extra points are removed (way too GURPSy).</blockquote>

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