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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 9449631" data-attributes="member: 6802951">I very much get the impression that Advanced 5e, and almost all of the &quot;D&amp;D-like&quot; games created at the OGL point are not trying to jockey for D&amp;D's market position. From the advertising I've seen, they are not trying very hard to bring new people into the TTRPG hobby, but rather marketing to existing D&amp;D players who want something close to 5e but with tweaks to fit their preference. ToV for example, started by basing a lot of its appeal on not being WotC D&amp;D, emphasising what it wasn't, rather than what it was.For these companies, piggybacking on 5e like this is absolutely viable. Aiming at having a share of the existing D&amp;D community rather than trying to create your own from scratch is going to be more successful. Having enough custom to sustain yourself and fund some future growth is success.As things shake down, we will see if the buffs were sufficient to even out the capabilities in all three pillars for the classes.Top-end martial performance went down, but less-heavily optimised martials have improved overall.Going to have to ask, since it sounds like this &quot;movement&quot; trying to trash 5e and the people who play it and advertise DC20 in association with said denigration may be (semi)organised: Did you run this past Alan first? And he was fine with you doing this?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 9449631, member: 6802951"] I very much get the impression that Advanced 5e, and almost all of the "D&D-like" games created at the OGL point are not trying to jockey for D&D's market position. From the advertising I've seen, they are not trying very hard to bring new people into the TTRPG hobby, but rather marketing to existing D&D players who want something close to 5e but with tweaks to fit their preference. ToV for example, started by basing a lot of its appeal on not being WotC D&D, emphasising what it wasn't, rather than what it was. For these companies, piggybacking on 5e like this is absolutely viable. Aiming at having a share of the existing D&D community rather than trying to create your own from scratch is going to be more successful. Having enough custom to sustain yourself and fund some future growth is success. As things shake down, we will see if the buffs were sufficient to even out the capabilities in all three pillars for the classes. Top-end martial performance went down, but less-heavily optimised martials have improved overall. Going to have to ask, since it sounds like this "movement" trying to trash 5e and the people who play it and advertise DC20 in association with said denigration may be (semi)organised: Did you run this past Alan first? And he was fine with you doing this? [/QUOTE]

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