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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9453138" data-attributes="member: 7006">I dunno... the two-weapon fighting with a juggling one hand and the picking up and moving the cleric with spirit guardians around the battlefield are two instances to me of ridiculous white-room theorizing of players trying to game the system, all forgetting they have to do this in front of a Dungeon Master that is probably going to tell them to go pound sand if they try it.These are both silly concepts that only the most abject squeezing-blood-from-a-stone types of players would ever actually think up and try to do at the table because the rules don't say they can't.&nbsp; It's no different than &quot;Bag of rats&quot; and other somesuch foolishness.&nbsp; But the problem is... most of these specific types of players are going to being playing at tables of similar like-minded DMs, who will either tell them to get out of here with those ideas... or they're going to just F those players over themselves by futzing the opportunistic rules back in the other direction.&nbsp; At the end of the day, it's probably going to end up being a self-correcting issue and WotC won't actually need to address it.Now granted, they might anyway (through Sage Advice or errata) just to shut people up who will continually complain that it's possible (even if no one actually does it)... but even if they never do, how many tables are actually going to see this silliness?&nbsp; I know for a fact that it'll never happen at mine and I don't need a response from Crawford for it to never occur.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9453138, member: 7006"] I dunno... the two-weapon fighting with a juggling one hand and the picking up and moving the cleric with spirit guardians around the battlefield are two instances to me of ridiculous white-room theorizing of players trying to game the system, all forgetting they have to do this in front of a Dungeon Master that is probably going to tell them to go pound sand if they try it. These are both silly concepts that only the most abject squeezing-blood-from-a-stone types of players would ever actually think up and try to do at the table because the rules don't say they can't. It's no different than "Bag of rats" and other somesuch foolishness. But the problem is... most of these specific types of players are going to being playing at tables of similar like-minded DMs, who will either tell them to get out of here with those ideas... or they're going to just F those players over themselves by futzing the opportunistic rules back in the other direction. At the end of the day, it's probably going to end up being a self-correcting issue and WotC won't actually need to address it. Now granted, they might anyway (through Sage Advice or errata) just to shut people up who will continually complain that it's possible (even if no one actually does it)... but even if they never do, how many tables are actually going to see this silliness? I know for a fact that it'll never happen at mine and I don't need a response from Crawford for it to never occur. [/QUOTE]

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