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<blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 9457928" data-attributes="member: 54629">At first I was like, &quot;Nah, those don't count as raw materials so it wouldn't work&quot; ... but then I looked at the 2014 version of the spell, which specifies that creatures and magic items can't be created or transmuted by the spell. They've left that bit out of the new version, but otherwise it is more or less the same.I'm going to assume that the designers thought it would be obvious that creatures and finished products like magic items (and buildings) don't count as raw materials. Barring that, then yes, at the very least, the spell needs to have the &quot;or transmuted&quot; bit added back into the sentence that talks about the spell not being able to create creatures or magic items.If you kill the red dragon, I think it would be fine to count its body as raw materials for this spell. But not while it is still alive. Yes, trees are alive, and you can convert them into a bridge without having to chop them down first, but the game does not consider all living things to be creatures by default.I would also argue that a construction like a castle wall doesn't count as &quot;raw materials&quot; either. In that case, you would need to break down the wall into its constituent parts before you can use them as raw materials for the spell.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pukunui, post: 9457928, member: 54629"] At first I was like, "Nah, those don't count as raw materials so it wouldn't work" ... but then I looked at the 2014 version of the spell, which specifies that creatures and magic items can't be created [I]or transmuted [/I]by the spell. They've left that bit out of the new version, but otherwise it is more or less the same. I'm going to assume that the designers thought it would be obvious that creatures and finished products like magic items (and buildings) don't count as raw materials. Barring that, then yes, at the very least, the spell needs to have the "or transmuted" bit added back into the sentence that talks about the spell not being able to create creatures or magic items. If you kill the red dragon, I think it would be fine to count its body as raw materials for this spell. But not while it is still alive. Yes, trees are alive, and you can convert them into a bridge without having to chop them down first, but the game does not consider all living things to be creatures by default. I would also argue that a construction like a castle wall doesn't count as "raw materials" either. In that case, you would need to break down the wall into its constituent parts before you can use them as raw materials for the spell. [/QUOTE]

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