D&D 3e & 3.5e Is Not Really An RPG

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Blockader7 said:
To the idiots who's been accusing me of being a troll when I make a perfectly valid point that it is mostly a board-strategy game, you should go over to Troll Kingdom and see what real trolling is.

3.5 is mostly a board-strategy game on the order of Warhammer with the amount of rules there are to it.

Well, first off, those idiots are really nice people and a couple I'd imagine I could be friends with should they live closer to this God forsaken desert I call home. You came out with a stance about D&D on a D&D board to D&D players. If you don't suspect troll will be called you're very naive. If I went to a Harn board and said "Harn isn't roleplaying" I would certainly expect people to react as if I were a troll. Even if I had many valid points I would still expect a few folks to call troll. Now, on to my second point.

D&D has never been anything like Warhammer to me. I played Warhammer briefly and did not like it so much because I couldn't play a role. Go figure. Now, this may be due to the fact that I started playing D&D long ago and have always been deeply rooted in playing a character as a character and not a miniature with a name and a higher point value than most of the other mooks on the "board". I can certainly see how someone who was new to D&D with this edition or who came over from say Warhammer might end up playing the game very similarly, but frankly, D&D pales when looked at as a Wargame/Strategy game. Game Workshop handles that aspect better. The DMG handles some of the roleplay aspects fairly well, and the PH goes a little way into explaining it, but I admit it could certainly be better. But, saying D&D is not roleplaying simply shows a misunderstanding of the core rules as is.
 

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Harlock said:
Well, first off, those idiots are really nice people and a couple I'd imagine I could be friends with should they live closer to this God forsaken desert I call home. You came out with a stance about D&D on a D&D board to D&D players. If you don't suspect troll will be called you're very naive. If I went to a Harn board and said "Harn isn't roleplaying" I would certainly expect people to react as if I were a troll. Even if I had many valid points I would still expect a few folks to call troll. Now, on to my second point.

Realize that his perspective and yours are quite different on this matter. You may have some kind of rapport with these "idiots" and may be in their good graces. This fellow however, posted a thread, and it was basically hijacked by people accusing him of the most heinous of internet crimes without any real evidence.

Is his argument flimsy? Maybe.
Is it a little abrasive in it's tone? Yes.
Did he fire off a brief post and not return for 16+ hours? Yes

That make him a troll? Maybe.

but then turn it around on the people who he's responding to.

Those chanting/spamming TROLL TROLL TROLL.. any argument explaining why he is one is flimsy as well. In fact, I haven't seen many arguments about it at all- just heckling. The guy at least did a little explanation about his stance in his first post.
They were also seeming to be twice as abrasive to him, especially if he isn't aware of the generally light-hearted attitude of the board. Not to say you can light-heartedly say "Go Away." to someone you disagree with. Just smiling at the people who are on your side doesn't make you nice if you're on the same side to be rude to some other poster.
Do you have to live here and post by the hour to be an accepted member of this community? Please tell me no, as I've been here for a good long while and don't post often.

Personally, if people started tossing photoshopped images and troll pictures at me, I'd be thinking "idiot" too.
 
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Folks, if you are of the opinion that somebody is trolling, the best thing you can do is not replying to the post.
Trolls feed on attention. So starve them of it. I mean, that's what you want when you cry "troll!", right? That they go away. So don't feed them or they just might be enticed to stay. ;)

And if the poster in question didn't actually mean to troll, you're just rudely destroying someone's thread.


Anyway, it doesn't seem like this thread is going anywhere. There's little serious debate but much flaming.
Also note that responding in kind to name-calling isn't acceptable, either. Please use the handy 'report post' button instead so the mods can take care of it.


Good night, everybody. Thread closed.
 
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