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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lokiare" data-source="post: 6260027" data-attributes="member: 83996">At this time I'm going to pull out some quotes so we can get off this subject and back onto the original subject of the thread (all used under fair use laws):DMG1 page 42:"Cast the Action as a Check: If a character tries an action that might fail, use a check to resolve it. To do that, you need to know what kind of check it is and what the DC is. Attacks: If the action is essentially an attack, use an attack roll. It might involve a  weapon and target AC, or it might just be a Strength or Dexterity check against any  defense. For an attack, use the appropriate defense of the target. Use an opposed check  for anything that involves a contest between two creatures."Note that you use the AC or defense of the target creature as the DC."Other Checks: If the action is related to a skill (Acrobatics and Athletics cover a lot of  the stunts characters try in combat), use that check. If it is not an obvious skill or  attack roll, use an ability check. Consult the Difficulty Class and Damage by Level table  below, and set the DC according to whether you think the task should be easy, hard, or  somewhere in between. A quick rule of thumb is to start with a DC of 10 (easy), 15  (moderate), or 20 (hard) and add one-half the character’s level."Here we see that they say use an easy, hard, or somewhere in between check based on the characters level. So if they are high level and improvising with a low level obstacle, then they would obviously cast it as an easy check that would be really unlucky to fail. So again it is based on the tasks difficulty compared to the character, not the characters level compared to a chart.On page 61 of the DMG1 it talks about terrain and uses the phrase "the DC of the terrain" over and over. So the level of the terrain determines the DC, not the characters level.This here is the clincher on page 64 of the DMG1: "Terrain and Skill Checks or Ability Checks: When terrain requires a skill check or ability  check, use the Difficulty Class by Level table (page 42) to set a DC that’s appropriate to  the characters’ level. Some of the examples below show DCs for breaking down doors or  opening locks, and also show the level at which a character should be able to break  down the door with a Strength check of moderate difficulty. Thus, that level is a good  rule of thumb for dungeon design. Don’t put an iron door in a dungeon designed for  10th-level characters unless you intend it to be difficult for them to break through."Which shows that the DC is a property of the level of the object and not a product of the level of the characters.They wanted you to use the proper level of objects and challenges so that the players don't think you are being sadistic and to that end they gave you a chart with a range of DC's to tell you what a certain level of characters should find easy, normal, or difficult. Not the other way around.Essentials took all of that explanation out and instead just said look on the chart and choose a DC by the characters level that is easy, normal, or difficult...</blockquote>

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