D&D 5E D&D and who it's aimed at

[HaroldTheHobbit]

To me there are different kinds of goofy. You have brightcolored fairyland with rabbit people and lots of hugs kind of goofy. And then you have tentacled space aliens on snail ships sucking the brain out of victorian hippo kids kind of goofy. The latter is fine.

 

[Zardnaar]

To me there are different kinds of goofy. You have brightcolored fairyland with rabbit people and lots of hugs kind of goofy. And then you have tentacled space aliens on snail ships sucking the brain out of victorian hippo kids kind of goofy. The latter is fine.

Yeah a few things I don't like in general. Alive in wonderland)whimsy/fairy type stuff, horror (esp gothic and lovecraftian),

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Yeah a few things I don't like in general. Alive in wonderland)whimsy/fairy type stuff, horror (esp gothic and lovecraftian),

Boo!

 

[Zardnaar]

Boo!

Bleach.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Bleach.

You are right to lump fairy-tales with gothic horror though (not so much Lovecraftian, which is a bit later). They very much melt into each other in a disturbing fashion.

Like a number of canonical Gothic novels, Alice in Wonderland (1865) is told from the heroine’s point of view as she ventures into a world outside her own and overcomes terrible obstacles that aid her in becoming the woman she ought to be. Alice also shares the dream-like quality of many gothic fictions...

Even if it wasn't mentioned in the famous Appendix N, Alice clearly influenced Gygax, since he adapted them to AD&D in Dungeonland/Land Beyond the Magic Mirror.

And don't forget the werewolf in Red Riding Hood, and Frankenstein's creature in Pinocchio.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

I'll keep wearing black until they invent something darker.

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I mean, technically speaking, they've invented black coatings that are in fact darker than black. Vantablack is the infamous one since a guy secured the exclusive right to use it artistically and charges out the nose for it, but two other options have come out since, one that is free for anyone except the creator of Vantablack to use, the other developed in cooperation with NASA and free for everyone (including the creator of Vantablack) to use.

They're so black, they effectively reflect no light at all. The NASA one is called, appropriately, "Singularity Black."

 

[John R Davis]

Disneyfication for me is perfectly illustrated in Robin Hood and D&D is going this way.

-Lots anthromorphism ( or however that is spelt), and indeed talking objects. No one can deny there are now more "animal" and other wierd playable races in DND. ( I blame Paizo PF for the explosion in playable PC races). I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS A BAD THING, but it's certainly a thing.

That for me is my #1 disneyfying of DND.

The art has certainly changed and the colours / imagery not only do not grab me, they put me off. Art doesn't say whether an RPG product is going to be great, but it can draw you in / put you off, and can stop a spontaneous purchase.

 

[bedir than]

. No one can deny there are now more "animal" and other wierd playable races in DND.

2e had a single book with more than exists in all of 5e

 

[Cadence]

Disneyfication for me is perfectly illustrated in Robin Hood and D&D is going this way.

-Lots anthromorphism ( or however that is spelt), and indeed talking objects. No one can deny there are now more "animal" and other wierd playable races in DND. ( I blame Paizo PF for the explosion in playable PC races). I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS A BAD THING, but it's certainly a thing.

That for me is my #1 disneyfying of DND.

It threw me at first to hear the spectacular, classic, hamster-dance inspiring Robin Hood held up as an example of Disney, because it wasn't that popular relatively speaking (which is a crime because Maid Marian is a fox!) and because I was comparing it to the other Disney movies (which have lots of talking animals, but not tons that are in clothes and on equal terms with humans*). But I had forgotten Scrooge, Ducktails, Goofy, and of course Mickey!


* Lots of unclothed animals that are just animals and talk to each other (Bambi, Lion King, 101 Dalmatians, etc..), some in clothes but not on par with humans (Cinderella, Aristocrats, Rescuers), and some that can talk to humans (Jungle Book) - but outside Robin Hood, are the Penguins in Mary Poppins the closest non-Mickey/Donald et.al. to talking clothes wearing animals on par with people that Disney has? Or did they buy DreamWorks and/or Pixar and get more I'm not thinking of?

 

[Zardnaar]

You are right to lump fairy-tales with gothic horror though (not so much Lovecraftian, which is a bit later). They very much melt into each other in a disturbing fashion.

Even if it wasn't mentioned in the famous Appendix N, Alice clearly influenced Gygax, since he adapted them to AD&D in Dungeonland/Land Beyond the Magic Mirror.

And don't forget the werewolf in Red Riding Hood, and Frankenstein's creature in Pinocchio.

Haven't actually read most if appendix N and what I have most if it isn't that good. Just don't really see most of it around here.

Elric was ok was probably better in the 70's.

I'm not big on whimsical, samurai/ninjas, Kender, horror, Kender, most American sitcoms and Kender.