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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8360906" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Again, missing the point. And, no, portrait frames don't necessarily take 30 minutes tops. Good grief, here are some token frames:</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.enworld.org/attachments/male_human_warrior_t02-png.121372/" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p></p><p>A token frame that would allow the image to be displayed both in front of and behind the character image? That's not easy. Or this one:</p><p></p><p><img src="https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/76/59/fd7659def61083dc94e5c8dc7060a0a0.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p></p><p>Maybe you can bang that out in 30 minutes, I sure can't. </p><p></p><p>But, let's compare this to what a logo designer would get paid. Even with just thirty minutes of billable time, we're looking at 50 bucks or more. And likely a LOT more. Again, we're talking about the contest runner getting thousands and thousands of dollars of free labour that they will own the rights to FOREVER. </p><p></p><p>I mean, good grief, I did a quick search for token frames on Roll20 and got 60 results, all around the 5 dollar range for 20, 30 ish token frames. So, it's not like people don't sell these. Is someone making a living doing this exclusively? Nope. But, people are getting paid to do this and you are supporting a contest that is devaluing their work by granting free rights to thousands of images so that a company doesn't have to pay anyone for using these.</p><p></p><p>Here's a thought, if the goal of the contest is to get the best frame artwork, why not take the money for the contest and pay one of the professionals that are already doing it? Heck, take tenders. I don't care. But, why is it somehow justified that we're going to ignore the people who are already doing this so that we can get lots of people to do it for free? It's not like D&D Beyond is a non-profit volunteer organization.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8360906, member: 22779"] Again, missing the point. And, no, portrait frames don't necessarily take 30 minutes tops. Good grief, here are some token frames: [img]https://www.enworld.org/attachments/male_human_warrior_t02-png.121372/[/img] A token frame that would allow the image to be displayed both in front of and behind the character image? That's not easy. Or this one: [img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/76/59/fd7659def61083dc94e5c8dc7060a0a0.jpg[/img] Maybe you can bang that out in 30 minutes, I sure can't. But, let's compare this to what a logo designer would get paid. Even with just thirty minutes of billable time, we're looking at 50 bucks or more. And likely a LOT more. Again, we're talking about the contest runner getting thousands and thousands of dollars of free labour that they will own the rights to FOREVER. I mean, good grief, I did a quick search for token frames on Roll20 and got 60 results, all around the 5 dollar range for 20, 30 ish token frames. So, it's not like people don't sell these. Is someone making a living doing this exclusively? Nope. But, people are getting paid to do this and you are supporting a contest that is devaluing their work by granting free rights to thousands of images so that a company doesn't have to pay anyone for using these. Here's a thought, if the goal of the contest is to get the best frame artwork, why not take the money for the contest and pay one of the professionals that are already doing it? Heck, take tenders. I don't care. But, why is it somehow justified that we're going to ignore the people who are already doing this so that we can get lots of people to do it for free? It's not like D&D Beyond is a non-profit volunteer organization. [/QUOTE]
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