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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8362348" data-attributes="member: 6801228">And you are wrong. Shockingly wrong. Heck, I literally mentioned Pay Day loans. If you google &quot;pay day loans&quot; you get an entire page of options to take out a loan. if you add the word &quot;bad&quot; you immediately get none of those and instead get dozens of reports of how those loans are designed to trap you in a cycle of debt. Add &quot;good&quot; and you get a few locations, some generic bank info... then those same articles telling you why they are a terrible idea. Do you think everyone who takes out a payday loan or gets a credit card with a high interest rate was coerced or mentally ill? Maybe or maybe not the art contest was exploitative. A lot of artists who have a lot of knowledge about these sort of contests said it was, because it matches the pattern of similar contests. I'm defaulting to think they probably had a good reason to say so. And &quot;well, you can't be exploited if you agree to play the game&quot; isn't an acceptable standard, because there are dozens and hundreds of examples of this being dead wrong.No, it isn't.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8362348, member: 6801228"] And you are wrong. Shockingly wrong. Heck, I literally mentioned Pay Day loans. If you google "pay day loans" you get an entire page of options to take out a loan. if you add the word "bad" you immediately get none of those and instead get dozens of reports of how those loans are designed to trap you in a cycle of debt. Add "good" and you get a few locations, some generic bank info... then those same articles telling you why they are a terrible idea. Do you think everyone who takes out a payday loan or gets a credit card with a high interest rate was coerced or mentally ill? Maybe or maybe not the art contest was exploitative. A lot of artists who have a lot of knowledge about these sort of contests said it was, because it matches the pattern of similar contests. I'm defaulting to think they probably had a good reason to say so. And "well, you can't be exploited if you agree to play the game" isn't an acceptable standard, because there are dozens and hundreds of examples of this being dead wrong. No, it isn't. [/QUOTE]

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