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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8363082" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Hang on, I'm going to disagree, but, then I'm going to explain why this sidebar doesn't really apply.</p><p></p><p>The students are being given on the job training. IOW, this is an educational experience for the students that is being provided by businesses. The students are getting something tangible out of this - work experience that can help them later on down the line - and they are also given educational credit as well - at least in Canada. There isn't really any exploitation going on here since the student is not taking work from anyone, firstly. It's not like the student is sitting down into a normally paid position and not getting paid for it. The student is doing, mostly, job shadow and job training stuff.</p><p></p><p>It's no different than repairing a car in shop class. Yes, work is being done, but, the point of the exercise is to learn how to repair the car. Or, doing art class for that matter. We don't worry about rights at all in an art class because it's being done for training purposes. No one is really getting any benefit that is out of line. The student gets the work experience, the company gets very little out of the deal. Again, no one is expecting that student to do any real work. </p><p></p><p>Now, on to why this doesn't apply to the current example.</p><p></p><p>If the contest was offering to train contestants in the use of some art program, pay someone to teach contestants (after all, in the work/study program, someone is getting paid to train that student), and then the best student in the program would have their art featured, then it would be a fair comparison. Everyone who participates is getting something of value for their time. Value for time doesn't necessarily have to be money.</p><p></p><p>But, that's not what's going on here or, really, in most contests. The contestants are 100% responsible for their own training, learning, and time. They are not compensated in any way, shape or form. They aren't even given "exposure" since only the winning entries will be shown. So, 99% of the entrants are being completely exploited. They receive nothing of value for their time and effort from the contest runners. OTOH, the contest runners ARE getting something of value from every single entrant - the non-exclusive rights to every art piece submitted. That has value. It might only be 2 cents, but, it still has value. Never minding the value of the marketing, but, let's put that off to the side for a moment.</p><p></p><p>So, no, work/study programs are nothing like contests. A work/study program trades time for training and experience. The company doing the work/study program certainly isn't meaningfully gaining anything of real value in the deal. That's why it's a volunteer program. The cost of having that student there is far, far more than any benefit the company could possibly get.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8363082, member: 22779"] Hang on, I'm going to disagree, but, then I'm going to explain why this sidebar doesn't really apply. The students are being given on the job training. IOW, this is an educational experience for the students that is being provided by businesses. The students are getting something tangible out of this - work experience that can help them later on down the line - and they are also given educational credit as well - at least in Canada. There isn't really any exploitation going on here since the student is not taking work from anyone, firstly. It's not like the student is sitting down into a normally paid position and not getting paid for it. The student is doing, mostly, job shadow and job training stuff. It's no different than repairing a car in shop class. Yes, work is being done, but, the point of the exercise is to learn how to repair the car. Or, doing art class for that matter. We don't worry about rights at all in an art class because it's being done for training purposes. No one is really getting any benefit that is out of line. The student gets the work experience, the company gets very little out of the deal. Again, no one is expecting that student to do any real work. Now, on to why this doesn't apply to the current example. If the contest was offering to train contestants in the use of some art program, pay someone to teach contestants (after all, in the work/study program, someone is getting paid to train that student), and then the best student in the program would have their art featured, then it would be a fair comparison. Everyone who participates is getting something of value for their time. Value for time doesn't necessarily have to be money. But, that's not what's going on here or, really, in most contests. The contestants are 100% responsible for their own training, learning, and time. They are not compensated in any way, shape or form. They aren't even given "exposure" since only the winning entries will be shown. So, 99% of the entrants are being completely exploited. They receive nothing of value for their time and effort from the contest runners. OTOH, the contest runners ARE getting something of value from every single entrant - the non-exclusive rights to every art piece submitted. That has value. It might only be 2 cents, but, it still has value. Never minding the value of the marketing, but, let's put that off to the side for a moment. So, no, work/study programs are nothing like contests. A work/study program trades time for training and experience. The company doing the work/study program certainly isn't meaningfully gaining anything of real value in the deal. That's why it's a volunteer program. The cost of having that student there is far, far more than any benefit the company could possibly get. [/QUOTE]
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