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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9247240" data-attributes="member: 7035894">The evidence is freely available via CritRole Stats and as you point out it's already been cited, so...zero evidence? Apparently you already are well aware of the evidence, so that seems like an odd accusation. It's like you are kinda sorta accusing me of not backing up my claim, but also acknowledging the evidence on which my claim is based. Anyone can look it up if they doubt me.The conversation was a lot more nuanced than that, involved all three seasons and all of the characters, but yeah, Caleb does almost as much damage as...a monk.That seems an awful lot like cherry picking.As I pointed out in that thread, Caleb had a few sessions where he was able to do high damage thanks to excellent AoE opportunities. Like a fire mage should. On the other hand, he also had numerous sessions where he did little or no damage do to lack of opportunity, saving throws, etc. What point are you trying to make? That wizards can do better AoE damage than almost anyone else? I won't argue!I looked at all the seasons, and the ONLY character who comes close to the martial classes in damage is Caleb, who still winds up behind, both overall and per battle. Caleb does devote some of his spells to utility, but is also a specialist in fire magic - it's his whole thing. In fact, he uses several bespoke (and one very OP) spells that are all about fire damage.So over three seasons and well over three hundred games we have ONE spellcaster who is close to competitive with the martial classes (though still behind). And it's not like those martial characters are particularly optimized, either, and those players are just as prone to using their turn for something other than doing damage.My claim then, as now, is that martial classes in general are very good at dealing damage, better than spellcasters in many situations, and better in dealing consistent damage over time. The Critical Role data strongly supports that conclusion.</blockquote>

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