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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 9247489" data-attributes="member: 59816">This is the all-or-nothing attitude that I was attempting to allude to above. (Sorry for singling you out here, Bedir, it's not at all personal!)There are a LOT of options to play in D&D. So many, in fact, and you can play any given character for MONTHS. The chances that, at any given time, when you make a character, that you're so familiar with all the ins-and-outs of the class that you just picked (far or less its subclasses) is pretty low. Expand that across all the players... You pick a class because you want to try that class. You think it will be a good fit for the character you have in mind. And you often do this fairly quickly (like during a session zero, while everyone else's picks are influencing your pick).I would say that the #1 reason why anyone picks any class is that it fits the very vague character concept that they just came up with a few seconds ago. How it works out for them comes later.ALSO: Being unsatisfied usually just means that you wish some things were better, not that you had no fun playing the character!(As an example, I played a 2014 Dragonborn Fighter once. BOY was I disappointed to find that 90% of the time, it was NEVER WORTH using his Breath Weapon. Fizban's version is SO MUCH BETTER if you want to "feel" like a Dragon-man!The fighter, in particular the Champion, is similar. It's fine. But it has some areas that are unsatisfying. The Berserker for the Barbarian is extremely disappointing, when you pick it because you assume that you're going to feel like an awesome crazy berserker dude and find that you're falling over tired all the time.Yes! Exactly.I don't think that it was ever suggested that EVERYONE is being forced to play anything, or even a large percentage. It was a throw-away suggestion of one of the (many) other reasons that people could wind up playing a certain class, using the example of the Cleric from 3e. (Which very often, if you were the last to chose, were told to play a Cleric, because everyone felt that a Cleric was needed for every party, but often no-one wanted to play one). This was WIDELY discussed in the 3e days.Wizbang, who brought it up, I don't think meant to suggest that it was definitely something that was happening today with the Fighter, but simply that this data didn't tell us either way.</blockquote>

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