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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9251479" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>Can the troll be in a pit and unable to get out to reach the casters?</p><p></p><p>Edit: So what's a likely encounter situation? Presumably, it is some kind of wilderness or maybe lair situation. Let's assume it's wilderness, like a swamp. There's cover, since the two groups haven't spotted each other miles away. As a DM, I'm going to play the troll like the cunning predator that it is - not super smart, but certainly smarter than an animal and capable of planning. So it's not going to simply rush headlong and be kited like a brainless mob in World of Warcraft - it knows it can regenerate and will seek to take advantage of that.</p><p></p><p>The players are going to come up with some kind of plan. Do their characters even know about trolls and regeneration? Some players (most of my experienced ones) try to play their characters from the perspective of what they would realistically know. Regardless, will their plan be any good? They've got a VERY tall order in front of them (writing as someone who very nearly TPKed a level 2 party with a single shambling mound not long ago).</p><p></p><p>Once they start the fight, they'd better be able to finish it, fast. Or now they're being stalked by a completely recovered troll, and probably out of their meagre spell slots...</p><p></p><p>As a DM, I just don't create this scenario for a level 1 party (unless the obvious answer is to run away, and they have ample chance to do so). Trolls are no joke. And I completely, totally disagree with the underlying premise that spell casters break the game. I have heaps of experience of playing and watching D&D, and I haven't seen it. At very high levels you can make the case, with groups that are hardcore optimizers, but even there I will maintain that the most effective party has a mix of classes and specialities. But at level 1? Pshaw.</p><p></p><p>The original claim was that a party of level 1 spell casters cake walks over a troll. We all know that's just not the case unless the DM specifically designs the encounter to give the party a massive advantage. Like it's trapped in a deep pit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9251479, member: 7035894"] Can the troll be in a pit and unable to get out to reach the casters? Edit: So what's a likely encounter situation? Presumably, it is some kind of wilderness or maybe lair situation. Let's assume it's wilderness, like a swamp. There's cover, since the two groups haven't spotted each other miles away. As a DM, I'm going to play the troll like the cunning predator that it is - not super smart, but certainly smarter than an animal and capable of planning. So it's not going to simply rush headlong and be kited like a brainless mob in World of Warcraft - it knows it can regenerate and will seek to take advantage of that. The players are going to come up with some kind of plan. Do their characters even know about trolls and regeneration? Some players (most of my experienced ones) try to play their characters from the perspective of what they would realistically know. Regardless, will their plan be any good? They've got a VERY tall order in front of them (writing as someone who very nearly TPKed a level 2 party with a single shambling mound not long ago). Once they start the fight, they'd better be able to finish it, fast. Or now they're being stalked by a completely recovered troll, and probably out of their meagre spell slots... As a DM, I just don't create this scenario for a level 1 party (unless the obvious answer is to run away, and they have ample chance to do so). Trolls are no joke. And I completely, totally disagree with the underlying premise that spell casters break the game. I have heaps of experience of playing and watching D&D, and I haven't seen it. At very high levels you can make the case, with groups that are hardcore optimizers, but even there I will maintain that the most effective party has a mix of classes and specialities. But at level 1? Pshaw. The original claim was that a party of level 1 spell casters cake walks over a troll. We all know that's just not the case unless the DM specifically designs the encounter to give the party a massive advantage. Like it's trapped in a deep pit. [/QUOTE]
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