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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9251585" data-attributes="member: 23751">That's a lot of spells when the casters only have 2 first level slots per day and have likely cast spells to overcome obstacles out of combat, or else used some in prior combats during the adventuring day.&nbsp; And the spells you place in the later rounds when the troll is softened up assumes that those casters are still conscious.Your scenario needs to have the casters be fully fresh and at a distance greater than 30 feet, which very frequently isn't the case, and needs the troll to miss saves, and have the casters have these spells selected.&nbsp; That's a lot that has to go very right in order for the casters to even have a chance to win. And it's not implausible for the group to start 50 or 60 feet away, it just usually isn't the case.&nbsp; Most fights aren't on an open plain or in a super long hallway where the troll is at one end and the party at the other.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9251585, member: 23751"] That's a lot of spells when the casters only have 2 first level slots per day and have likely cast spells to overcome obstacles out of combat, or else used some in prior combats during the adventuring day. And the spells you place in the later rounds when the troll is softened up assumes that those casters are still conscious. Your scenario needs to have the casters be fully fresh and at a distance greater than 30 feet, which very frequently isn't the case, and needs the troll to miss saves, and have the casters have these spells selected. That's a lot that has to go very right in order for the casters to even have a chance to win. And it's not implausible for the group to start 50 or 60 feet away, it just usually isn't the case. Most fights aren't on an open plain or in a super long hallway where the troll is at one end and the party at the other. [/QUOTE]

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