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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9251598" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Two different campaigns.Also, I was speaking only of the players. The DM had run 5e before. That was, in fact, precisely why he believed he could throw a CR3 Mummy at a fresh 1st level party. Averting a TPK solely through DM fiat, and then dropping back to back combats on us when we had another terrible fight and tried to take a rest...which resulted in everyone but the Rogue dying. The campaign folded after that because nobody was interested in continuing an experience like that.(Of course, I had tried to warn this DM that this was a risk... especially with a group of almost total newbies...they completely ignored me, supremely confident that there would be no problems. I tried my best, playing a support-heavy character, but there was only so much I could do.)Considering I've never even seen a single 5e campaign gain more than two levels before it collapsed (usually as a result of a TPK due to a DM throwing excessively challenging stuff at the party), and usually not even get one, waiting for level 8 is not tenable in my experience.These requests are always online. I don't have an in-person gaming group. Never have. Even if I didn't have social anxiety, I don't have any sufficiently close places to seek an in-person game.Personally, I find all that buttering up is seen as disingenuous. &quot;Oh, it'll be sooo good for the campaign, because it will be good for you huh?&quot;But it never even gets that far. It's literally that I merely propose it (hoping for, you know, a conversation, &quot;what's it about?&quot; &quot;why do you like it?&quot; etc.), and most times there is a response of absolutely zero-discussion, &quot;No, no 3pp. At all. Ever.&quot; I've learned not to push any further, in this glorious age of DM empowerment such subversive, destructive requests are met with perfectly justified overwhelming force. Sometimes it's at least the courteous (but probably not sincere) claim that they'll &quot;look at it.&quot; Given I haven't yet seen a single game that actually did allow 3PP yet, it's a bit hard to see 3PP as anything but a pipe dream.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9251598, member: 6790260"] Two different campaigns. Also, I was speaking only of the players. The DM had run 5e before. That was, in fact, precisely why he believed he could throw a CR3 Mummy at a fresh 1st level party. Averting a TPK solely through DM fiat, and then dropping back to back combats on us when we had [I]another[/I] terrible fight and tried to take a rest...which resulted in everyone but the Rogue dying. The campaign folded after that because nobody was interested in continuing an experience like that. (Of course, I had tried to warn this DM that this was a risk... especially with a group of almost total newbies...they completely ignored me, supremely confident that there would be no problems. I tried my best, playing a support-heavy character, but there was only so much I could do.) Considering I've never even seen a single 5e campaign gain more than two levels before it collapsed (usually as a result of a TPK due to a DM throwing excessively challenging stuff at the party), and usually not even get [I]one,[/I] waiting for level 8 is not tenable in my experience. These requests are always online. I don't have an in-person gaming group. Never have. Even if I didn't have social anxiety, I don't have any sufficiently close places to seek an in-person game. Personally, I find all that buttering up is seen as disingenuous. "Oh, it'll be sooo good for the campaign, because it will be good for [I]you[/I] huh?" But it never even gets that far. It's literally that I merely propose it (hoping for, you know, a conversation, "what's it about?" "why do you like it?" etc.), and most times there is a response of absolutely zero-discussion, "No, no 3pp. At all. Ever." I've learned not to push any further, in this glorious age of DM empowerment such [I]subversive, destructive[/I] requests are met with [I]perfectly justified[/I] overwhelming force. Sometimes it's at least the courteous (but probably not sincere) claim that they'll "look at it." Given I haven't yet seen a single game that actually [I]did[/I] allow 3PP yet, it's a bit hard to see 3PP as anything but a pipe dream. [/QUOTE]

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