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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9251615" data-attributes="member: 22779">Again, though, like myself, we do have to recognize that our experiences are somewhat idiosyncratic.&nbsp; I mean, either as a DM or a player, I've never run into that.&nbsp; Most DM's, IME, want to get through levels 1 and 2 as fast as possible just to make the group more survivable.&nbsp; You have to play with kid gloves so much at levels 1 and 2.&nbsp; The game doesn't generally get really fun until level 3.&nbsp; But, you do realize that for me, when you talk about six different campaigns, I've actually run/played more than six multi-year campaigns since the release of 5e.&nbsp; Mostly because for a long time we were switching out DMing duties and running a couple of campaigns concurrently on alternating weeks.&nbsp; Heck, in the past three (four?&nbsp; Man, I have to go check) years, I've run/played the entire Horde of the Dragon Queen, Candlekeep Mysteries, my homebrew Spelljammer campaign, we're several sessions into Avernus and I'm about to start a shortish Phandelver campaign to give myself something of a stress break from running homebrew.&nbsp; IOW, I've put in a metric assload of time on both sides of the screen in 5e.&nbsp; Which is why I get rather shirty when I get told that the issues I'm having are either self-inflicted, or flat out me lying about what's happened in my own games, as if anything I've pointed to, any of the problems I've brought up, are so bizarrely implausible that it's impossible to think that they could be happening.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />&nbsp; <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937.png" title="Person shrugging&nbsp; &nbsp; :person_shrugging:" data-shortname=":person_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9251615, member: 22779"] Again, though, like myself, we do have to recognize that our experiences are somewhat idiosyncratic. I mean, either as a DM or a player, I've never run into that. Most DM's, IME, want to get through levels 1 and 2 as fast as possible just to make the group more survivable. You have to play with kid gloves so much at levels 1 and 2. The game doesn't generally get really fun until level 3. But, you do realize that for me, when you talk about six different campaigns, I've actually run/played more than six multi-year campaigns since the release of 5e. Mostly because for a long time we were switching out DMing duties and running a couple of campaigns concurrently on alternating weeks. Heck, in the past three (four? Man, I have to go check) years, I've run/played the entire Horde of the Dragon Queen, Candlekeep Mysteries, my homebrew Spelljammer campaign, we're several sessions into Avernus and I'm about to start a shortish Phandelver campaign to give myself something of a stress break from running homebrew. IOW, I've put in a metric assload of time on both sides of the screen in 5e. Which is why I get rather shirty when I get told that the issues I'm having are either self-inflicted, or flat out me lying about what's happened in my own games, as if anything I've pointed to, any of the problems I've brought up, are so bizarrely implausible that it's impossible to think that they could be happening. :erm: 🤷 [/QUOTE]

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