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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9251969" data-attributes="member: 7035894">Well, no, you alleged that it would be a "cakewalk" with a caster party.Incidentally, I eventually tried this encounter with an all melee group....and they won, through sheer DPR. They weren't as good as my mixed group, but it turns out that an all barbarian party of 8 level 1s can take down a troll in less than two rounds and pour oil on it and light it on fire. The troll can't get away and can't KO them through their damage resistance in time.I also tried 8 wizards, and gave them all burning hands. This was about 50/50 and largely depended on initiative order and the troll not using any tactics. If it gets close, it KOs two of them each round, basically. Incidentally, I definitely think it is fair to play a troll as if it knows how regeneration works and how to make the most of it, including backing off and giving itself time to heal when necessary. Animals with a much lower intelligence than a troll will stalk prey and employ hit and run tactics.You have a thesis - that casters are way overpowered and break the game at all levels - and you're sticking with it, no matter what evidence you are given. You keep complaining that your experience is being disrespected, but you are not open to the possibility, suggested by the evidence and by the experience of a lot of other people, that you might be an outlier. Are you respecting the experiences of other people? You make hyperbolic claims, like that a party of level 1 casters could cake walk over a troll, but can't back them up except to quibble when they are actually tested. So I don't see this discussion really going anywhere.I don't find casters overpowered at low levels, at all, and I do not have a shortage of players wanting to play martial classes. My numbers are broadly similar to the data. When I look at actual play shows, again I see martial classes being regularly played. In fact, what all these strings of evidence converge on is the thesis that D&D5e is fairly well balanced. I recognize that at high levels, among hardcore optimizers, the results are likely different. I don't much care about that; I think it affects a fraction of a percentage of games.Just looking at fighters, the most popular class by a significant margin, I think there are a number of reasons for that popularity, but one of them is simple: fighters are pretty good in 5e.</blockquote>

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