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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9254149" data-attributes="member: 22779">And I'll bet dollars to donuts that that buck was STILL further than 30 feet away.And, yet, funnily enough, I've been walking in the forest behind my place and heard the deer walking around lots of times.&nbsp; I'm sure there are times when they have been there and I missed them, sure, but, y'know what?&nbsp; I hear them pretty often.&nbsp; I don't think I'm missing them that often.&nbsp; Never minding seeing deer at the tree line nearly routinely growing up. Dude, it's 20 freaking feet.&nbsp; Less than 10 paces.&nbsp; Good grief, my living room is bigger than that.&nbsp;&nbsp; My classroom is bigger than that and my students can still see me and read the board.&nbsp; You're seriously suggesting that you are limited to less than 20 feet sight lines in forests?&nbsp; Seven paces?&nbsp; You cannot see further than 7 paces in every forest you've ever been in? This is one of the more ludicrous discussions I've seen in a while.&nbsp; Holy cow.&nbsp; We've gone from 100 foot sight lines (which is generally fairly reasonable in most forests - with obvious obstructions for trees to jungles so thick that you couldn't possibly walk through them. I think people are seriously estimated just how far 100 feet is.&nbsp; 30 yards?&nbsp; As in the distance to first base?&nbsp; This whole ludicrous sidebar started because someone wanted to start every single encounter within a single movement - that starting an encounter more than 30 feet away was unbelievable.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />&nbsp; Good grief.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9254149, member: 22779"] And I'll bet dollars to donuts that that buck was STILL further than 30 feet away. And, yet, funnily enough, I've been walking in the forest behind my place and heard the deer walking around lots of times. I'm sure there are times when they have been there and I missed them, sure, but, y'know what? I hear them pretty often. I don't think I'm missing them that often. Never minding seeing deer at the tree line nearly routinely growing up. Dude, it's 20 freaking feet. Less than 10 paces. Good grief, my living room is bigger than that. My classroom is bigger than that and my students can still see me and read the board. You're seriously suggesting that you are limited to less than 20 feet sight lines in forests? Seven paces? You cannot see further than 7 paces in every forest you've ever been in? This is one of the more ludicrous discussions I've seen in a while. Holy cow. We've gone from 100 foot sight lines (which is generally fairly reasonable in most forests - with obvious obstructions for trees to jungles so thick that you couldn't possibly walk through them. I think people are seriously estimated just how far 100 feet is. 30 yards? As in the distance to first base? This whole ludicrous sidebar started because someone wanted to start every single encounter within a single movement - that starting an encounter more than 30 feet away was unbelievable. :erm: Good grief. [/QUOTE]

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