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Message: <blockquote data-quote="OB1" data-source="post: 9254721" data-attributes="member: 6796241"><p>I don't have a dog in this hunt (though I've found that CR of 2x party level is about the highest that can be dealt with reliably, even with above average optimization, level appropriate magic items and fight specific gear), but I'd be super curious as to how the above changes if the Troll goes first in initiative (and how often that is expected to happen), and also see the results for random initiative.  Feels like the party wins with no losses 72% of the time in the above is highly dependent on the specific initiative of this scenario.</p></blockquote><p></p>