No. If it's a team based game, teamwork tends to work better, just like in every edition of D&D. I doubt anyone here will argue that basketball isn't a team based game, but you still have some superstars who ball hog and scores lots and lots of points when "leading" their team to victory.
They get charm spells. Command has always been a cleric thing.
Right, but generally the Warlord isn't going to be pushing/pulling/sliding allies unless it's beneficial for the allies to be doing that. If the allies are constantly rebelling against that and refusing to move, it's disruptive to the Warlord player's choice of class and abilities, which also isn't a good thing.
If I (the player) can see though the ruse, I am allowed to act based on the knowledge I possess. If I can't, I'm not roleplaying. I might as well roll randomly to determine everything my character does.
see, i feel like you're the one treating your character like a chess piece, cause you're not respecting their perspective and POV in the world, you're just treating them as a piece to be moved as you see fit for your goals, i don't care about challenging the player, not in any sense you're talking about, i'm talking about roleplaying, if your character doesn't know the secret door is there, if they don't know about the water potions, then what right do you have to override the fiction of the world?
There is no "overriding the fiction". The potions are real or water based on what the DM says. But if my character is forced to believe they are real because the dice say i believe they are real, then I'm NOT actually playing my character. No more so than when the Life deck said I bought a helicopter. The game tells me what I think or feel. That's not playing a character, that's randomly generating a mad libs. If anyone else can play my character and end up with the exact same results as me playing them (assuming the same dice rolls) then the character is just a toon and not a roleplaying character.
um I said adusted your actions to be part of the team. Somehow that seems to have been translated as mind controlled zombie by your. one means you willingly join the group knowing the norms it expects if you want to remain part of it. The other has left the room and gone to Fallout where we are inserting mind control chips. You seem to be having an argument with the idea of living in a world with other people.
I think you are posting on the wrong piece of the thread. The bit from me was expressing almost exactly what you just said. Being part of a team means adjusting to the teams expectations was the point, your team mates having some influence or leverage on you isn't your character being hijacked. I think a few on this thread should just play games for one person. That seems to be the only solution to their extreme reaction to expectations.
so you want a game of fiction made up by another person using a system that has mecjhanics to "simulate" being fooled, or simply being mistaken but you want to be able to ignore the mechanics. This is simple. Quit playing D&D and go find another game without dice. I will point out that a smart DM would after one of these conversations simply just decide and tell you whether or not the potion was bad or good without a die roll. Only difference is the DM is actively deciding what happens to you and there is no randomness. Or me I'd just roll behind the screen without telling you and I'm sure that would be you being screwed as well.
