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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5939362" data-attributes="member: 87792">Nice way to move the goalposts there. You said equal level/hd. And minions are a mechanic that make monsters that are emphatically not meant to be a threat to the PCs 1:1 into monsters worth paying attention to who still aren't a significant threat to the PCs. They may technically be the same level but emphatically aren't the same hit dice equivalent. And if you're going to play that way then I'm going to tell you that by using your rules a first level monster almost certainly can 1-shot a 1st level 4e PC. If that first level monster happens to be a Dragon (e.g. the Young White from Monster Vault) or other L1 solo (Id Fiend, Dark Sun Creature Guide also springs to mind). But using them as examples of equal level monsters would be silly. Every bit as silly as silly as claiming that minions are equal level.  You didn't say without magic either. And didn't specify at level 1 in that challenge. According to the Wealth By Level rules, and using the DMG's guidance for magic item shops, PCs can afford Wands of Cure Light Wounds from Level 2. So there's a grand total of 1 level where PCs can't heal up almost at will in 3.X unless the DM deviates from the guidelines in the DMG. W00t! Edit: The Orc Drudge is not an Orc Warrior.  In 3.X terms he'd be a level 1 Orc <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/npcClasses/commoner.htm" target="_blank">Commoner</a>.  And almost certainly have a lower strength than most orcs - if he could fight effectively he'd have his chance at being a warrior at the very least.</blockquote>

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