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<blockquote data-quote="RedTonic" data-source="post: 5598569" data-attributes="member: 98994">As someone who's recently suffered through incalculable hours of education on the US federal tax system, I'd like to note that most Americans also pay income &amp; employment tax on a pay as you go basis--as long as they're employees, and not self-employed (that is, not independent contractors). Our system of federal income taxation remains, rightly or wrongly, a point of contention as to its constitutionality, but also stemmed from a need to finance the Civil War (which has parallels then to the UK's development of their system). I think tax is pretty interesting but it's excruciating to be lectured on.Legal and financial complication is, IMO, a function of how long the society has existed, and how the function of government has changed, and what historical conditions have transpired. A younger civilization is not as likely to have the bulk of laws that an older one does, under those conditions. Compared to US federal tax 'stuff,' Hammurabi's code is a vacation pamphlet. (I say 'stuff' because the Code isn't the only thing we have to refer to when doing tax accounting... Blarg.)Back in undergrad, I took a pretty interesting dual-program course in England called &quot;Shakespeare and the Modern Self.&quot; This topic is really good for reminiscing on our drunken arg---errrr, discussions. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </blockquote>

[QUOTE="RedTonic, post: 5598569, member: 98994"] As someone who's recently suffered through incalculable hours of education on the US federal tax system, I'd like to note that most Americans also pay income & employment tax on a pay as you go basis--as long as they're employees, and not self-employed (that is, not independent contractors). Our system of federal income taxation remains, rightly or wrongly, a point of contention as to its constitutionality, but also stemmed from a need to finance the Civil War (which has parallels then to the UK's development of their system). [SIZE=1] I think tax is pretty interesting but it's excruciating to be lectured on. [SIZE=2]Legal and financial complication is, IMO, a function of how long the society has existed, and how the function of government has changed, and what historical conditions have transpired. A younger civilization is not as likely to have the bulk of laws that an older one does, under those conditions. Compared to US federal tax 'stuff,' Hammurabi's code is a vacation pamphlet. (I say 'stuff' because the Code isn't the only thing we have to refer to when doing tax accounting... Blarg.) Back in undergrad, I took a pretty interesting dual-program course in England called "Shakespeare and the Modern Self." This topic is really good for reminiscing on our drunken arg---errrr, discussions. ;) [/SIZE][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]

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