D&D Minis & Lead Paint?

Dannyalcatraz said:
Tangentially...

Going back before DDM, though, remember that all minis used to be made of lead. Big grey lumps of it...

I must have 100lbs+ of the stuff around here in Grenadiers, Ral Parthas and Heritage sculpts. (Perhaps more incentive to paint the older minis, yes?)

That, of course, led to the switch to pewters before the advent of plastic minis.
Rackham minis are still made of lead. I'm careful to file them somewhere that my children aren't allowed to play, and I'm extra fastidious about cleaning up after myself when I paint them. It's interesting...lead is a dream to work with. Pewter's so...hard.
 

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Even Reaper minis have a small amount of lead in them. According to Ed Pugh, the owner of Reaper (from Reaper's message boards)...
Miniatures are exempted by specific mention in the 1987 Federal Lead Reduction Act. As such, several companies (not Reaper) cast miniatures using up to 95% lead in their mix, and do so legally. If this is a concern to you, be careful.

Our current metal mix is 90-92% tin with the balance made up of antimony, bismuth, lead and zinc. We have used this same formula for 15 years.
 

Dannyalcatraz said:
Going back before DDM, though, remember that all minis used to be made of lead. Big grey lumps of it...

Heck, back at GenCon in 1984, I bought a little kit (from Prince August, I think) that let me cast my own orc minis. It came with a mold, several lead ingots, and a little "frying pan" that you used to heat up the lead (over a stove burner) before pouring it in the mold.

Yeah, those fumes were good for me. :)
 

I'd worry more about the old-school citadel paint from games workshop. Lots of "good stuff" in that mix. Think of the times you used a brush to break away the crunchy chunk at the top after you popped the lid, wiped with a napkin and 2 hours later had hanging between your teeth while you detailed with a fine brush!

Even now the "lead free" paints are still more hazerdous than handling the lead or "pewter" mixtures. Acrylic paint may clean with soap and water but it still has pretty nasty levels of formaldehyde. Paints mixed over-seas may have more "hazerdous" lead or other metals in the mix.

On the flipside kids under 12 shouldnt be messing with metal minis or even acrylic paints in the first place.

Yeowza!

Case
 


Actually, if you look at the chemical makeup of any paint, it's full of bad stuff. You should read up on how classic oils and acryllics had to be reformulated...Cadmium Red isn't what it used to be.
 

The danger, as you probably know, in lead paint is not so much a large one-time exposure, but accumulation in the body over time. That is, your body has no mechanism to remove it or most heavy metals, it builds up in you over time. Adults can tolerate a fair amount of this but young children are much more susceptable to developmental problems due to lead. Some are subtle.

If the company is telling you there is no problem, take it with a grain of salt unless they have recently retested older batches themselves. Do you think Mattel didn't think the toys it is now recalling were safe when they sold them? Do you think that if they don't already have a recall out they are going to say "Oh yeah, we don't really know, let's look into it." You do realize that all those toys originally called safe were "inspected and tested" it's just the system was corrupt, they lied when they said they met standards.

You might also want to consider the comment they are for 12 years old and older. Is there a different lead level standard for these mini than if they were meant for 2 year olds? Probably so. The danger is of course the 3 year old in your house will want to handle and play with these minis, they may not wash there hands really well every time after doing so, and hence paint traces that get on there hands get conveyed into their mouth eventually.

Also realize that lead level standards are not bassed on assuming that minis are the only source of lead exposure to your child. There are other sources, soil still from the days of leaded gasoline and lead house paint, solder in pipes, electronics etc. Again, you don't need direct contact, all these sources release lead that finds its way into the home and other environments your children do come in contact with. You really don't need another lead source in your home when there is no need for lead in paint except to make extra money.
 
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Rothe said:
The danger, as you probably know, in lead paint is not so much a large one-time exposure, but accumulation in the body over time. That is, your body has no mechanism to remove it or most heavy metals, it builds up in you over time. Adults can tolerate a fair amount of this but young children are much more susceptable to developmental problems due to lead. Some are subtle.

If the company is telling you there is no problem, take it with a grain of salt unless they have recently retested older batches themselves. Do you think Mattel didn't think the toys it is now recalling were safe when they sold them? Do you think that if they don't already have a recall out they are going to say "Oh yeah, we don't really know, let's look into it." You do realize that all those toys originally called safe were "inspected and tested" it's just the system was corrupt, they lied when they said they met standards.

You might also want to consider the comment they are for 12 years old and older. Is there a different lead level standard for these mini than if they were meant for 2 year olds? Probably so. The danger is of course the 3 year old in your house will want to handle and play with these minis, they may not wash there hands really well every time after doing so, and hence paint traces that get on there hands get conveyed into their mouth eventually.

Also realize that lead level standards are not bassed on assuming that minis are the only source of lead exposure to your child. There are other sources, soil still from the days of leaded gasoline and lead house paint, solder in pipes, electronics etc. Again, you don't need direct contact, all these sources release lead that finds its way into the home and other environments your children do come in contact with. You really don't need another lead source in your home when there is no need for lead in paint except to make extra money.

My kids do play with the mins, so you make some interesting points.

The age on the box should refer to the age appropriateness to play the game, not the age of handling. If these minis do contain any substance that could hurt my children, I'll be quite peeved.
 

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