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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Whizbang Dustyboots" data-source="post: 8995626" data-attributes="member: 11760">Those aren't all the inputs that matter, though.Z has been equating "box office flop" with being a "flop" more generally, which isn't how it works any more.He isn't wrong on a very narrow point, but that very narrow point is only part of a much larger picture, which is why everyone's so frustrated with each other. He (and you) seem to want to be credit for being right, but since the argument is about more than just that one point, which folks focused purely on the box office don't seem to like conceding, you're not getting that validation.To put it another way, if I declared the 2014 PHB to be an abject failure because of the horrible halfling art, me declaring that I am clearly right because everyone (or almost everyone) agrees those halflings are terrifying big-headed freaks, everyone else saying "wtf dude, the book has a lot more stuff in it than that," would lead to the same sort of endless circular argument.So, yes, you and he are correct that the numbers at the box office look to be pretty mediocre. We don't know how long the film will stay in theaters or what international numbers look like, so the picture could change, but for now, it's not exactly popping champagne bottles time.But again, that's not the full picture.That doesn't take away from the (narrow) victory that is apparently important to you here, but it's not an irrelevant point or an attempt to change the subject to point out that merchandising, streaming fees and pre-sales (the movie is apparently doing well on iTunes and Amazon already) all matter.  And, more broadly, it's extremely likely that Hasbro, which produces endless terrible Transformers and GI Joe movies, is likely viewing at least part of the movie's cost as a marketing expense for the brand overall.So predicting the future of the movie franchise based solely on two weeks of box office revenue simply doesn't make sense.In other words, the other side, who are arguing a different point than you are, are also right.If you wanted to argue about the best brand of fast food hamburger and I responded by arguing about the best brand of fast food pizza, it would be a similarly endless and frustrating argument.No. See above.</blockquote>

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