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<blockquote data-quote="Jaeger" data-source="post: 9091088" data-attributes="member: 27996"><p>Please provide the Honor Among Thieves streaming revenue numbers that show this assumption to be correct.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You have no evidence to make this connection.</p><p></p><p>Please cite the hard numbers that empirically show this.</p><p></p><p>Hasbro did explicitly say that they did a $25m write down because HaT <em>did not bring in the money they expected:</em></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/54787/wotc-digital-gaming-down-q2[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now that we have more verifiable Facts. I fully expect the same go around that we have gotten at every stage since the numbers started to come in:</p><p></p><p>Week 1:</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">"HaT opening is rather soft considering its budget; it looks like it will flop at the Box Office."</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>"No it won't! It 'exceeded expectations' you are looking at the numbers wrong!"</em></span></p><p></p><p>Week 2:</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">"This week was not that great, the trend and metrics for these things show..."</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">"Traditional metrics don't apply because reasons. We don't have the all the Box Office numbers in yet; you are just making stuff up!"</span></em></p><p></p><p>Week 9:</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">"The Box Office numbers are in. HaT didn't so much as break even; it's a Box Office Flop."</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">"Ah Ha! Wrong! Streaming is the new hotness. That means it's impossible for it to be a Real Flop!"</span></em></p><p></p><p>Con't:</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">"HaT has around a $100million dollar hole to make-up. That's a lot of money to make up on the back end just to break even. It'll probably still lose money."</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">"Wrong again! Not only did it not flop, it's a Streaming hit! Look at all these Streaming charts that it is near or at the top of! It must be making heaps and heaps of money!" </span></em></p><p></p><p>Con't:</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">"You have no way of tying actual dollars earned to those streaming chart standings. You have no way of proving that it is breaking even, let alone turning a profit."</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>"Why are you asking me to prove my claims with actual revenue numbers? Why are you spreading the mythology that this film is still in the red?</em></span></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>This goes round and round for a while...</em></span></em></p><p></p><p>Some time later:</p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">"Hasbro wrote down $25million on this film specifically because they didn't see the box office ticket sales they expected. We now have empirical proof that HaT Lost Money."</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>"More Mythology!!! Don't you know that $25million dollar write down due to low ticket sales actually helped D&D nearly double franchise income for Hasbro?</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>"Wait, What!?"</em></span></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">"And Stop asking me for the actual revenue numbers to prove my claims that HaT is on the path to break even and turn a profit on Streaming, because I will just keep ignoring them!"</span></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jaeger, post: 9091088, member: 27996"] Please provide the Honor Among Thieves streaming revenue numbers that show this assumption to be correct. You have no evidence to make this connection. Please cite the hard numbers that empirically show this. Hasbro did explicitly say that they did a $25m write down because HaT [I]did not bring in the money they expected:[/I] [URL unfurl="true"]https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/54787/wotc-digital-gaming-down-q2[/URL] Now that we have more verifiable Facts. I fully expect the same go around that we have gotten at every stage since the numbers started to come in: Week 1: [I][SIZE=3]"HaT opening is rather soft considering its budget; it looks like it will flop at the Box Office."[/SIZE][/I] [SIZE=3][I]"No it won't! It 'exceeded expectations' you are looking at the numbers wrong!"[/I][/SIZE] Week 2: [I][SIZE=3]"This week was not that great, the trend and metrics for these things show..." "Traditional metrics don't apply because reasons. We don't have the all the Box Office numbers in yet; you are just making stuff up!"[/SIZE][/I] Week 9: [I][SIZE=3]"The Box Office numbers are in. HaT didn't so much as break even; it's a Box Office Flop." "Ah Ha! Wrong! Streaming is the new hotness. That means it's impossible for it to be a Real Flop!"[/SIZE][/I] Con't: [I][SIZE=3]"HaT has around a $100million dollar hole to make-up. That's a lot of money to make up on the back end just to break even. It'll probably still lose money." "Wrong again! Not only did it not flop, it's a Streaming hit! Look at all these Streaming charts that it is near or at the top of! It must be making heaps and heaps of money!" [/SIZE][/I] Con't: [I][SIZE=3]"You have no way of tying actual dollars earned to those streaming chart standings. You have no way of proving that it is breaking even, let alone turning a profit."[/SIZE][/I] [SIZE=3][I]"Why are you asking me to prove my claims with actual revenue numbers? Why are you spreading the mythology that this film is still in the red?[/I][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3][I]This goes round and round for a while...[/I][/SIZE][/I] Some time later: [I][SIZE=3]"Hasbro wrote down $25million on this film specifically because they didn't see the box office ticket sales they expected. We now have empirical proof that HaT Lost Money."[/SIZE][/I] [SIZE=3][I]"More Mythology!!! Don't you know that $25million dollar write down due to low ticket sales actually helped D&D nearly double franchise income for Hasbro? "Wait, What!?"[/I][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3]"And Stop asking me for the actual revenue numbers to prove my claims that HaT is on the path to break even and turn a profit on Streaming, because I will just keep ignoring them!"[/SIZE][/I] [/QUOTE]
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