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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8116961" data-attributes="member: 93670">There are a lot of buffs & debuffs & so on still in 5e.  Sure a lot of them are crippled in one or more ways to stomp that, but then they needlessly weigh them down with near universal concentration  requirements to ensure you can't do things like use more than one no matter the situation.  They knew getting rid of all those spells would make it such an obvious failure to be d&d that they couldn't, so they just crippled anyone who dares build for those roles.Yes it was and that's true of 5e.  The problem is the only personal contribution that anyone can optimize for to any meaningful degree is really  a list that contains the word "damage" over & over again.  Meanwhile every other niche is crippled & pegged to being on par with an unoptimized damage dealer with no feats & no magic items. It results in damage dealers that excel to a significant degree while niche classes lack both feats & magic items capable of even pretending they can optimize.  Even optimizing for damage is largely limited to one specific type of damage, namely weapons where they have both +Ability mod to damage, +x weapons, a wide selection of feats to influence it, & multiple attacks each round to multiply the impact of those things  on a system balanced around two of them not being allowed in play.  The result leaves all other forms of damage feeling pretty lacking, but then you add the over use of energy resistance & magic resistance stacked against resistant to  the nonmagic weapons the game is balanced against & the already slanted field veers into an area that makes all the other hamstrung niche areas those classes could be filling all the more grating to the caster who practically needs the GM to set up the battlefield to "press x to save the day" levels of obvious setup.  Take web for example.... It went from a 20foot radius (40ft across) circle  with a range & duration that improved as the caster leveled to a 20 foot cube (ie about half the size) with a meaningless but longer duration, shorter range, and it tops the whole thing off with being a concentration spell to ensure you won't ever really save the day by casting it more than once if the things that need to be webbed aren't mindlessly bunched up within the blast of a  single fireball.... Just to be safe, there are a ton of normal creatures far below the realm of legendary resist & lair actions who get advantage on that save & wotc set the scales to ensure that magic items with +x focus items will be pretty rare from most GMs by rarely including any in the HC adventures & certainly not including them to a degree similar to the +x or +x&more  weapons cram packed in those same HCs when they do throw in a +1 pity wand of the war mage or things like a spellbook at the very end of an adventure but not enough gold to do much with it.It's absolutely possible, just one of 5e's many poorly thought out design decisions was to  design against it.   The OP may have said "d&d needs to let go..." but 5e broke from previous editions where classes had their own niches to enforce one specific niche for all.</blockquote>

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