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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8692465" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I don't think we'll see any changes to Barbarian. My feeling is WotC have decided they can brass balls that one out. As long as Pathfinder (which is a bit more "right on" than WotC's D&D) has a Barbarian class, I don't think this will be an issue. There's also the fact that the people primarily impacted by it as racist are people from indigenous ethnicities, who, and I'm going to be blunt, are treated as lower-down on the US-centric list of "valid racism concerns". Despite the US' (and Canada's) grotesque history of anti-Native American horrors, issues involving racism involving Native Americans are broadly seen as "less important" on the left in the US - anti-Black and anti-Asian racism is seen as far more important. At extremes, sometimes it's even suggested that mentioning anti-Native American racism is an attempt by White people to divert attention away from other forms of racism. It's a complex issue but the sum total is that this sort of racism is just pushed to the bottom of the in-tray, issues-wise.</p><p></p><p>Monk is both a weird ultra-specific racial stereotype (Chinese Shaolin Monk, specifically, and absolutely nothing else), and is very badly designed mechanically, because it incorporates literally everything needed to make a Boomer/1970s stereotype of a Shaolin Monk into the basic class chassis, which is utterly demented and totally unlike any other class design in 5E. So every Monk subclass is "Shaolin Monk BUT ALSO..." which is weird as hell. It also means Monks cannot be "Magic Martial Artist", because they're too hyperspecific, despite that being a fantasy archetype that is wildly popular, and far more popular than "Shaolin Monk" (which again, was last a popular archetype in the 1970s and early 1980s). Again too we come back to the "Apology Edition" factor, as I suspect otherwise Monk might have not made the cut as a PHB class (and thus been possible to bring back cooler, later), and wouldn't have been rushed into this weird 1970s shape it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8692465, member: 18"] I don't think we'll see any changes to Barbarian. My feeling is WotC have decided they can brass balls that one out. As long as Pathfinder (which is a bit more "right on" than WotC's D&D) has a Barbarian class, I don't think this will be an issue. There's also the fact that the people primarily impacted by it as racist are people from indigenous ethnicities, who, and I'm going to be blunt, are treated as lower-down on the US-centric list of "valid racism concerns". Despite the US' (and Canada's) grotesque history of anti-Native American horrors, issues involving racism involving Native Americans are broadly seen as "less important" on the left in the US - anti-Black and anti-Asian racism is seen as far more important. At extremes, sometimes it's even suggested that mentioning anti-Native American racism is an attempt by White people to divert attention away from other forms of racism. It's a complex issue but the sum total is that this sort of racism is just pushed to the bottom of the in-tray, issues-wise. Monk is both a weird ultra-specific racial stereotype (Chinese Shaolin Monk, specifically, and absolutely nothing else), and is very badly designed mechanically, because it incorporates literally everything needed to make a Boomer/1970s stereotype of a Shaolin Monk into the basic class chassis, which is utterly demented and totally unlike any other class design in 5E. So every Monk subclass is "Shaolin Monk BUT ALSO..." which is weird as hell. It also means Monks cannot be "Magic Martial Artist", because they're too hyperspecific, despite that being a fantasy archetype that is wildly popular, and far more popular than "Shaolin Monk" (which again, was last a popular archetype in the 1970s and early 1980s). Again too we come back to the "Apology Edition" factor, as I suspect otherwise Monk might have not made the cut as a PHB class (and thus been possible to bring back cooler, later), and wouldn't have been rushed into this weird 1970s shape it is. [/QUOTE]
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