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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 8693267" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>Strangely, I find myself both agreeing <em>and</em> disagreeing with you.</p><p></p><p>First we have to consider what is a "magical swordsman" (or a gish). If one takes the definition of "someone who can fight and cast arcane spells", then poof, multiclass fighter mage, done. But I don't think that's what you meant - you mean a swordsman who has integrated magic into his fighting. </p><p></p><p>You are completely correct that there is no "proper" class focused on this concept, and that there could have been, or perhaps even should have been. I have a magus in a PF game that I hoped (in vain) would switch to 5e. Converting him accurately is nigh impossible. It's particularly bad if you restrict yourself on the PHB. Ironically, the closest we have to a gish is the <em>paladin</em> - but even then that's quite wrong because the flavor of the spells and class as a whole just don't match.</p><p></p><p><em>on the other hand</em>, the magical swordsman has always seemed a bit... idiosyncratic to me. Instead of having one "path" to gish-dom, 5e offers a very wide array of ways to do it:</p><p></p><p>Eldrich knight</p><p>Hexblade</p><p>College of sword bard (esp with a 1 level dip in hexblade)</p><p>bladesinger</p><p></p><p>aaaand that's not all!</p><p></p><p>Fighter-mage MC can still work</p><p>Arcane Trickster (which pairs well with bladesinger btw)</p><p>Some artificers (a more steampunk approach if you will)</p><p>Some other fighter subclasses are sort of "magical warriors" - psi warrior and rune knight in particular, and this can be enhanced by taking things like ritual caster.</p><p>Hexadin/Sorcadin</p><p></p><p>If you have a dedicated gish class, half of these options probably wouldn't exist.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 8693267, member: 23"] Strangely, I find myself both agreeing [I]and[/I] disagreeing with you. First we have to consider what is a "magical swordsman" (or a gish). If one takes the definition of "someone who can fight and cast arcane spells", then poof, multiclass fighter mage, done. But I don't think that's what you meant - you mean a swordsman who has integrated magic into his fighting. You are completely correct that there is no "proper" class focused on this concept, and that there could have been, or perhaps even should have been. I have a magus in a PF game that I hoped (in vain) would switch to 5e. Converting him accurately is nigh impossible. It's particularly bad if you restrict yourself on the PHB. Ironically, the closest we have to a gish is the [I]paladin[/I] - but even then that's quite wrong because the flavor of the spells and class as a whole just don't match. [I]on the other hand[/I], the magical swordsman has always seemed a bit... idiosyncratic to me. Instead of having one "path" to gish-dom, 5e offers a very wide array of ways to do it: Eldrich knight Hexblade College of sword bard (esp with a 1 level dip in hexblade) bladesinger aaaand that's not all! Fighter-mage MC can still work Arcane Trickster (which pairs well with bladesinger btw) Some artificers (a more steampunk approach if you will) Some other fighter subclasses are sort of "magical warriors" - psi warrior and rune knight in particular, and this can be enhanced by taking things like ritual caster. Hexadin/Sorcadin If you have a dedicated gish class, half of these options probably wouldn't exist. [/QUOTE]
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