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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 5815005" data-attributes="member: 32164">So, I've got Martial Power and Martial Power 2. I've also got HoFL and HoFK. And while I concede (nominally) that it makes the archer warlord a semi-viable build, exactly what version of which fighter build can use a bow? Because I sure as hell couldn't find it.As for rangers that are "equally viable" with bow and blade? I'd be interested in seeing that. Which hunter build? Are we talking the Martial Power 2 one? Because the one in HoFK is pretty clearly bow-focused. And I don't see how the Scout can be "pretty good" with a longbow when his one and only encounter power (Power Strike) is MELEE-ONLY!Sure, he might be arguably viable at 1st-level, but without being able to ramp up the damage, his best tactic past about 6th-level is probably to throw his bow away.It seems to me that while 4e has broadened the options to include multiple weapon choices (I can make a melee ranger, a throw and stab ranger, or an archer ranger), it's still pretty obvious that trying to be versatile (I want to be an archer ranger sometimes AND a melee ranger at others) is rather obviously sub-optimal. 4e penalizes those attempting to be versatile. Or perhaps I should say, it STRONGLY rewards specialization - overly so in my opinion.I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but that's been my experience.</blockquote>