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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5815391" data-attributes="member: 996">I was delighted with the 3.0 fighter, myself.  I played one for the full run of the game, in a campaign with (at times) two other fighters.  One quickly MCd to Cleric, and one came into the campaign in 3.5 (a dedicated archer).  My fighter was a mixed 'tactical reach' build using a pole-arm, combat reflexes, spring attack, expertise, power attack, quickdraw and a range of weapons to maximize his flexibility.  He was the party's 'battle leader,' and tried very hard to manuever to limit enemy options, protect his buddies and give them bonuses.  He could just barely do those things, in maybe one fight out of three, because the rest of the time the sorcerer or full-caster cleric would just end the battle early with an SoD.The fighter is more focused in 4e, it's also a lot more effective at what it does.  No 3.x fighter could begin to compare to it for round-to-round versatility or peak power (where fighters had always lagged casters by such vast degrees that was like they weren't even playing the same game), nor for effectiveness in the fighter's iconic role (protecting the other members of his party as a front-liner).  The fighter couldn't be an archer, and was limitted (heavy thrown weapons, few or no powers) in ranged combat, but as the classic 'tank' the class had been since 0D&D, it did everything it needed to (and couldn't before), and more.  OTOH, the fighter didn't need to be a great archer, because the ranger was now a 100% martial class capable of being a great archer and skirmisher.  The fighter didn't need to be a full-bab 'duelist' style light-armor 'fast' fighter, because the Rogue was now up to modeling that sort of purely-martial character.  The fighter didn't need to grope and stretch at it's traditional, never-supported, 'leader' role, because the martial source now had the Warlord.4e was like a renaisance for the martial source.  Where, before, the fighter stood virtualy alone in modeling martial archetypes, it finally had help, and could specialize on it's *ahem* 'core competencies.'  Where before casters dominated, martial characters were now broadly competative (though casters still had much greater breadth and variety in their abilities, at least in general power and resources there was finaly a rough parity).</blockquote>

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