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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Daniel" data-source="post: 5341783" data-attributes="member: 694">Thieves were unlimited in 1st edition.&nbsp; It was a holdover from the original game; thieves were introduced in the Greyhawk supplement, and for some reason, all races were allowed to be thieves and progress to any level in that class.In 2nd edition, most demi-human races were limited (IIRC) to 12th level in the thief class, maybe a bit lower or higher, except for halflings, who could make it all the way to 15th level.&nbsp; (In 2nd edition, the level limits were considerably higher than they were in 1st, and just about every race had one or more classes that they could make 15th level in.&nbsp; The only non-human with access to unlimited advancement was the half-elf bard.)The Baldur's Gate games, although based on the 2nd edition rules, did not include any demi-human level limits.To the OP: If you want a game that has neither race-as-class nor level limits, I would definitely go with Basic Fantasy RPG.&nbsp; You could use Castles &amp; Crusades, but it isn't free or finished.&nbsp; You could try OSRIC, but then you have to ignore the level limits and balance it out some other way, and anyway, OSRIC is a more complicated system.&nbsp; With BFRPG, you get the same simple game rules as Labyrinth Lord, and coupled with the Olde Dungeoneer's Almanack (from the BFRPG website) you can add however many extra complications or options to the game that you might wish for.<a href="http://www.basicfantasy.org" target="_blank">Basic Fantasy Role-Playing Game</a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Daniel, post: 5341783, member: 694"] Thieves were unlimited in [I]1st [/I]edition. It was a holdover from the original game; thieves were introduced in the Greyhawk supplement, and for some reason, all races were allowed to be thieves and progress to any level in that class. In 2nd edition, most demi-human races were limited (IIRC) to 12th level in the thief class, maybe a bit lower or higher, except for halflings, who could make it all the way to 15th level. (In 2nd edition, the level limits were considerably higher than they were in 1st, and just about every race had one or more classes that they could make 15th level in. The only non-human with access to unlimited advancement was the half-elf bard.) The Baldur's Gate games, although based on the 2nd edition rules, did not include any demi-human level limits. To the OP: If you want a game that has neither race-as-class nor level limits, I would definitely go with Basic Fantasy RPG. You could use Castles & Crusades, but it isn't free or finished. You could try OSRIC, but then you have to ignore the level limits and balance it out some other way, and anyway, OSRIC is a more complicated system. With BFRPG, you get the same simple game rules as Labyrinth Lord, and coupled with the Olde Dungeoneer's Almanack (from the BFRPG website) you can add however many extra complications or options to the game that you might wish for. [URL="http://www.basicfantasy.org"]Basic Fantasy Role-Playing Game[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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